Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00211)

Hi Paul and all of you,

The truth is.

Well Paul, I had hoped for a more enlightening answer. But all right Paul, no problems.
Maybe I can help the list a little. The problem in Denmark was partly, thatthe Bailey groups dropped out/ or was thrown out - because they viewed theteachings of Alice A. Bailey to be the natural further enhancement of the teachings of Blavatsky. So it is today. You know Blavatsky - some where in the Secret Doctrine predicted , that someone would write some books in the 20th century to enhance and so to speak expand her writings. The Bailey groups think that that 'someone' was and is Alice A. Bailey.

Anyway who wrote those books which Blavatsky made a prediction about ?? Paul, Daniel, Brigitte, Dallas, Chuck, Jerry and all of you...??

To the list - a view on the books: 
My view is, that Alice A. Bailey was a theosophist - a follower of the teachings of all ages. The level of hers can be discussed. But, to fanatically follow her writings - with a "dead-letter attitude", will according to me not be a very promising idea. But to learn is always giving - no doubt.
And right NOW with the present situation on the Planet - with the information society, Internet, Sattelit-TV etc. - and the Middle Eastern countries being under pressure - culturally by the western lifestyles - "á la Hollywood" and other central issues -- the books of Alice A. Bailey importantly show to lack international perspective. This is, according to me.
The reason as I see it, is that the books of Alice A. Bailey's writings (which some followers treat sort of as a "Bible"), is NOT exactly concerned with showing the Middle East any esoteric respect. Christianity seems to be the high topic in those books (well with a "dead-letter" in mind, -- see forinstance HPB on "the 7 keys" for an explanation on "dead-letter views").
The view is: So the idea to use the Bailey books - alone as a PRIMARY theosophicl drive, which all other books has to sort of neal in front of - will not be helping the Planet a great deal - in its present hour of international activity - especially when we talk about the Middle East. Others obviously think different.
The books of Alice A. Bailey was probably wrítten for a certain group of beginners and students -- i.e. that group which WAS and IS ready for them.
The same could be said of other Theosophical branches - with their favoritewriters, - (maybe?) also even H. P. Blavatsky.

Paul: Do you have anything on the version of Theosophy from the Middle East(by Ibn Talib ?), which you mention in one of your books.

What about the writer Idries Shah ?

 
Feel free to do your best.

from
Suflight with... deep respect for other cultures...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Theos-World Bailey and Denmark


> Dear Morten,
> 
> Thanks for sharing something of your national situation with us.  
> About 5 years ago there was a lot of talk on theos-l about the 
> explusion of the Danish section of the Adyar TS, allegedly (like that 
> of the Canadians) because they'd been infiltrated by the Bailey 
> heresy and Radha couldn't tolerate it. Not because there is an 
> inherent conflict between the TS and the Bailey work, but because ut 
> conflicts with the *ES* whose power is threatened if a different kind 
> of esoteric inner group is recruiting within/undermining the 
> Society. But in the absence of detailed official explanations of 
> what happened and why, this remained rumor. Does it fit your 
> knowledge of the scene?
> 
> I looked up for you in the Encyclopedia of American Religions all the 
> Baileyite groups, but this is the first edition of 1978 and there 
> might be more now: Arcane School, School of Esoteric Studies, 
> Meditation Group of the New Age, Arcana Workshops, Aquarian 
> Educational Group, School of Light and Realization (SOLAR). These 
> names ought to give you a starting point; google.com is the most 
> comprehensive search engine.  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Sufilight" <teosophy@m...> wrote:
> > Hi Paul and al of you,
> > 
> > Here are som of my views: 
> > Very interesting - and I will say that at least some parts of ULT - 
> also according to my view has some problems with the 
> word "fundamentalism", but I am not a real physical insider, so to 
> speak.
> > 
> > I would like to know, what views you have on the Alice A. Bailey 
> groups, where there are several different groupings ?? (Maybe just 
> the major ones.)
> > 
> > Some comments and views:
> > You know I am from Denmark - (Scandinavia). I can tell you, that 
> there for sure are - Alice A. Bailey fanatism in Denmark .
> > But it is also important to know, that about 33% of the Danish 
> adult population at least one time in their life - tries alternative 
> treatments of New Age like kind. We have a sort of New Age wave in 
> Denmark at present.
> > The population in Denmark are very political active, .- and at 
> elections to parliment - more than 80% votes.
> > And the danish TV-channels and newspapers has made Islam and the 
> Middle East look bad. And because of that the politicians are careful 
> about their statements on issues concerned.
> > 
> > Racial tendencies and Christianity plays an awfull important role 
> in the Danish populations lifestyles, - maybe that is why Alice A. 
> Bailey is so IN - in Denmark - who knows ? (Am I too rough putting 
> that forward ?)
> > The following view are common in Denmark and certainly also plays a 
> part. The view are: "Old books (like The Secret Doctrine) are NOT 
> interesting. We want new books, - and USA with Hollywood are great 
> and the like !"
> > 
> > But that is Denmark. Sweden are different !
> > 
> > 
> > from
> > Sufilight with thoughts...etc.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:15 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Adyar yes, ULT no, Pasadena both
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > There is a huge difference between the way theosophists act in 
> real 
> > > life and 
> > > > the way they behave online. And if one is around them long 
> enough 
> > > one learns 
> > > > to find a sort of gentle cynicism towards the founders, a kind 
> of 
> > > reverence 
> > > > tempered with "well, the old girl sure got that one wrong," 
> type of 
> > > thing.  
> > > > They are anything but fundamentalists.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Chuck, we've met several times in Wheaton and I'd certainly agree 
> > > with you about the attitude within the American Section. All the 
> > > lodges I've visited and *almost* all the individuals I've met 
> have 
> > > been undogmatic, friendly, interested in alternative ways of 
> looking 
> > > at HPB, and so on. And while I think both John Algeo and Radha 
> > > Burnier decided for reasons of their own (the authority of the ES 
> and 
> > > its claims to represent the Masters, perhaps) to make me a 
> > > Theosophical nonperson in the wake of my SUNY books, I don't 
> think 
> > > either of them is a fundamentalist. Ditto for Daniel; he's been 
> > > serving the fundie agenda and networking with fundie Theosophists 
> but 
> > > in his heart of hearts I don't think he really is one. From my 
> > > considerable experience with the Pasadena TS, I'd say it's more 
> > > conservative than Adyar generally, and that there are some 
> > > fundamentalists, but not overtly so in any aggressive way (except 
> for 
> > > Pratt so far.) But my experience with ULT suggests that there is 
> a 
> > > substantial core of fundamentalists within it who are aggressive 
> > > towards fellow Theosophists who are not of their persuasion.  
> I've 
> > > been involved in intraTheosophical events several times, in 
> Maryland, 
> > > VA, NY, and out West. The only people who have regularly been 
> > > preachy and mean to their fellow Theosophists over doctrinal 
> matters 
> > > have been the ULT folks. I've seen roomsful of happy loose Adyar 
> > > folks turned tense and uncomfortable by ULT antics at such joint 
> > > events, in several states and over several years.
> > > 
> > > That's just a small sample, but I think you should restrict your 
> > > description to the Adyar TS.  
> > > 
> > > Paul
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > >
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