Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00210)

Dear Morten,

Thanks for sharing something of your national situation with us. 
About 5 years ago there was a lot of talk on theos-l about the 
explusion of the Danish section of the Adyar TS, allegedly (like that 
of the Canadians) because they'd been infiltrated by the Bailey 
heresy and Radha couldn't tolerate it. Not because there is an 
inherent conflict between the TS and the Bailey work, but because ut 
conflicts with the *ES* whose power is threatened if a different kind 
of esoteric inner group is recruiting within/undermining the 
Society. But in the absence of detailed official explanations of 
what happened and why, this remained rumor. Does it fit your 
knowledge of the scene?

I looked up for you in the Encyclopedia of American Religions all the 
Baileyite groups, but this is the first edition of 1978 and there 
might be more now: Arcane School, School of Esoteric Studies, 
Meditation Group of the New Age, Arcana Workshops, Aquarian 
Educational Group, School of Light and Realization (SOLAR). These 
names ought to give you a starting point; google.com is the most 
comprehensive search engine. 

Cheers,

Paul


--- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Sufilight" <teosophy@m...> wrote:
> Hi Paul and al of you,
> 
> Here are som of my views: 
> Very interesting - and I will say that at least some parts of ULT - 
also according to my view has some problems with the 
word "fundamentalism", but I am not a real physical insider, so to 
speak.
> 
> I would like to know, what views you have on the Alice A. Bailey 
groups, where there are several different groupings ?? (Maybe just 
the major ones.)
> 
> Some comments and views:
> You know I am from Denmark - (Scandinavia). I can tell you, that 
there for sure are - Alice A. Bailey fanatism in Denmark .
> But it is also important to know, that about 33% of the Danish 
adult population at least one time in their life - tries alternative 
treatments of New Age like kind. We have a sort of New Age wave in 
Denmark at present.
> The population in Denmark are very political active, .- and at 
elections to parliment - more than 80% votes.
> And the danish TV-channels and newspapers has made Islam and the 
Middle East look bad. And because of that the politicians are careful 
about their statements on issues concerned.
> 
> Racial tendencies and Christianity plays an awfull important role 
in the Danish populations lifestyles, - maybe that is why Alice A. 
Bailey is so IN - in Denmark - who knows ? (Am I too rough putting 
that forward ?)
> The following view are common in Denmark and certainly also plays a 
part. The view are: "Old books (like The Secret Doctrine) are NOT 
interesting. We want new books, - and USA with Hollywood are great 
and the like !"
> 
> But that is Denmark. Sweden are different !
> 
> 
> from
> Sufilight with thoughts...etc.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@y...>
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:15 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Adyar yes, ULT no, Pasadena both
> 
> 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> > > 
> > > There is a huge difference between the way theosophists act in 
real 
> > life and 
> > > the way they behave online. And if one is around them long 
enough 
> > one learns 
> > > to find a sort of gentle cynicism towards the founders, a kind 
of 
> > reverence 
> > > tempered with "well, the old girl sure got that one wrong," 
type of 
> > thing. 
> > > They are anything but fundamentalists.
> > > 
> > 
> > Chuck, we've met several times in Wheaton and I'd certainly agree 
> > with you about the attitude within the American Section. All the 
> > lodges I've visited and *almost* all the individuals I've met 
have 
> > been undogmatic, friendly, interested in alternative ways of 
looking 
> > at HPB, and so on. And while I think both John Algeo and Radha 
> > Burnier decided for reasons of their own (the authority of the ES 
and 
> > its claims to represent the Masters, perhaps) to make me a 
> > Theosophical nonperson in the wake of my SUNY books, I don't 
think 
> > either of them is a fundamentalist. Ditto for Daniel; he's been 
> > serving the fundie agenda and networking with fundie Theosophists 
but 
> > in his heart of hearts I don't think he really is one. From my 
> > considerable experience with the Pasadena TS, I'd say it's more 
> > conservative than Adyar generally, and that there are some 
> > fundamentalists, but not overtly so in any aggressive way (except 
for 
> > Pratt so far.) But my experience with ULT suggests that there is 
a 
> > substantial core of fundamentalists within it who are aggressive 
> > towards fellow Theosophists who are not of their persuasion. 
I've 
> > been involved in intraTheosophical events several times, in 
Maryland, 
> > VA, NY, and out West. The only people who have regularly been 
> > preachy and mean to their fellow Theosophists over doctrinal 
matters 
> > have been the ULT folks. I've seen roomsful of happy loose Adyar 
> > folks turned tense and uncomfortable by ULT antics at such joint 
> > events, in several states and over several years.
> > 
> > That's just a small sample, but I think you should restrict your 
> > description to the Adyar TS. 
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> >