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Re: Theos-World Adyar yes, ULT no, Pasadena both

Feb 08, 2002 09:24 AM
by Morten Sufilight

Hi Paul and al of you,

Here are som of my views: 
Very interesting - and I will say that at least some parts of ULT - also according to my view has some problems with the word "fundamentalism", but I am not a real physical insider, so to speak.

I would like to know, what views you have on the Alice A. Bailey groups, where there are several different groupings ?? (Maybe just the major ones.)

Some comments and views:
You know I am from Denmark - (Scandinavia). I can tell you, that there for sure are - Alice A. Bailey fanatism in Denmark .
But it is also important to know, that about 33% of the Danish adult population at least one time in their life - tries alternative treatments of New Age like kind. We have a sort of New Age wave in Denmark at present.
The population in Denmark are very political active, .- and at elections toparliment - more than 80% votes.
And the danish TV-channels and newspapers has made Islam and the Middle East look bad. And because of that the politicians are careful about their statements on issues concerned.

Racial tendencies and Christianity plays an awfull important role in the Danish populations lifestyles, - maybe that is why Alice A. Bailey is so IN -in Denmark - who knows ? (Am I too rough putting that forward ?)
The following view are common in Denmark and certainly also plays a part. The view are: "Old books (like The Secret Doctrine) are NOT interesting. We want new books, - and USA with Hollywood are great and the like !"

But that is Denmark. Sweden are different !

Sufilight with thoughts...etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kpauljohnson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:15 PM
Subject: Theos-World Adyar yes, ULT no, Pasadena both

> --- In theos-talk@y..., Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> > 
> > There is a huge difference between the way theosophists act in real 
> life and 
> > the way they behave online. And if one is around them long enough 
> one learns 
> > to find a sort of gentle cynicism towards the founders, a kind of 
> reverence 
> > tempered with "well, the old girl sure got that one wrong," type of 
> thing.  
> > They are anything but fundamentalists.
> > 
> Chuck, we've met several times in Wheaton and I'd certainly agree 
> with you about the attitude within the American Section. All the 
> lodges I've visited and *almost* all the individuals I've met have 
> been undogmatic, friendly, interested in alternative ways of looking 
> at HPB, and so on. And while I think both John Algeo and Radha 
> Burnier decided for reasons of their own (the authority of the ES and 
> its claims to represent the Masters, perhaps) to make me a 
> Theosophical nonperson in the wake of my SUNY books, I don't think 
> either of them is a fundamentalist. Ditto for Daniel; he's been 
> serving the fundie agenda and networking with fundie Theosophists but 
> in his heart of hearts I don't think he really is one. From my 
> considerable experience with the Pasadena TS, I'd say it's more 
> conservative than Adyar generally, and that there are some 
> fundamentalists, but not overtly so in any aggressive way (except for 
> Pratt so far.) But my experience with ULT suggests that there is a 
> substantial core of fundamentalists within it who are aggressive 
> towards fellow Theosophists who are not of their persuasion. I've 
> been involved in intraTheosophical events several times, in Maryland, 
> VA, NY, and out West. The only people who have regularly been 
> preachy and mean to their fellow Theosophists over doctrinal matters 
> have been the ULT folks. I've seen roomsful of happy loose Adyar 
> folks turned tense and uncomfortable by ULT antics at such joint 
> events, in several states and over several years.
> That's just a small sample, but I think you should restrict your 
> description to the Adyar TS.  
> Paul
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 

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