Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00267)

Monday, September 24, 2001


Dear Friend:

If one takes the theosophical division of the principles of man
(as a basis for the consideration of the several bases which the
ONE CONSCIOUSNESS can use) we see:

1.	The SPIRITUAL -- which is defined as universal, impersonal,
virtuous (lawful), and the purest of the three, [ This includes
two separate divisions: the "Ray of the ONE SPIRIT" (Atma), and
BUDDHI or the accumulated wisdom of experience over an enormous
series of incarnations.]

2.	The PSYCHIC -- which is defined as the realm of thought and
emotions (desires and passions), and [ This includes MIND and
FEELING/EMOTION as two separate divisions

3.	The PHYSICAL -- which is defined as the instruments made up of
physical matter (supported by the astral-body's lattice work of
force centers) which form in their cooperative aggregate our
physical selves.

For spiritual ideals and thoughts to reach the physical
brain-mind, they have to pass through the PSYCHIC realm. There
they are greatly influenced by our "Desires and Passions."

Physical DRUGS act on the connection between the PSYCHIC and the
PHYSICAL. They may by their chemical constitution exert a
filtering effect on the intelligence connection between the
PSYCHIC and the PHYSICAL brain.

The effect of this is in many cases to alter, dull, or enhance
various effects that emanate in and from the Psychic on their way
to impressing the PHYSICAL matter of the Brain, and thus causing
inaccuracies or exaggerations.

The physical body in the normal course of its life during the day
eventually rejects the drug substances and restores the less
impaired connection between the two.

As such the original clear pathway unaffected by drugs restores
the full psychic mood -- one of feeling, desire, (either for good
or bad things).

Best wishes,


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Etzion Becker [mailto:etvionbb@netvision.net.il]
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 11:38 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then
Created Again?

What are you trying to say, drugs has anything to do with
spiritual
advancement?! If spiritual advancement would have been dependent
on
chemicals, it wasn't worthy the efforts. Etzion
----- Original Message -----
From: nos <nos@granite.net.au>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then
Created
Again?


> I'm sure with years of meditation we could all achieve what a
single
> good sized dose of LSD or ayahuasca or any of the shamanic
drugs
> (SOMA!!!!) does in one day.
>
> Ego destroyed
> At one with you
> With we 1 becomes 2 becomes 3
> Polarity dispelled
> In an infinite moment
> Sacred soma return me to thy river
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, 24 September 2001 7:39 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And Then
> Created Again?
>
>
> >:-) I like that idea - for example, Leadbeater and Besant
saying that
> >they
> could see the Elements with magnified clairvoyant sight - both
of them
> describing Oxygen as having a dynamic, beautiful,
> double-spiral, geometric
> design - a living Creature who we breathe all the time - g'Day!
> >:-) Grounge
>
> In a message dated 9/23/01 7:15:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> nos@granite.net.au writes:
>
> > http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml
> >
> > All substances are both poisons and tonics - depending on
the dose
> >
> > Nos
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 8:58 AM
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And
Then
> > Created Again?
> >
> >
> > >:-) Hi - I'm not sure if you were asking me that question,
but for
> > >myself, I
> > experimented for a short time with some mind-altering drugs
> > about 25 years
> > ago, but for the last 25 years I haven't touched anything
like
> > that, not even
> > marihuana.
> >
> > And yes, I would offer a warning to anyone who might
consider
> > using that
> > approach. Leadbeater explained it well, saying that external
> > stimuli only
> > affects one from the outside - and so one might be able to
> > generate some
> > sorts of chaotic clairvoyance types of things, but that is
only
> > temporary -
> > only affecting your present life - not carrying over to
future lives.
> >
> > But if one works from within, by things like meditation,
then
> > one's Soul is
> > directly involved in the process, and so any progress one
> makes by that
> > method is a real advance that remains with one throughout
all
> > Future Lives -
> > and any types of abilities one develops that way is much
more
> > likely to be
> > under one's control, not the chaotic drug type things.
> >
> > Well I believe all that, and that is how I've been living
for
> > the last 25
> > years, and I have no intention of changing. During
meditation I
> > feel much
> > Deeper than I ever felt back when experimenting with drugs -
> > some of those
> > experiences were intense, but not as Deep as what I feel
now.
> >
> > And like I suggested, Astral projection is more exciting
than drug
> > experiences anyway! - and since the Astral Plane is between
the
> > Physical
> > Plane and Heaven, usually it must be thoroughly explored
> before one can
> > awaken in Heaven. Although, the Astral Plane can also be
> experienced by
> > meditation, so projection isn't necessary. And there might
be
> > some dangers to
> > Astral projection, so one might want to consider that before
> > attempting it.
> >
> > I don't know, maybe there are ways of using herbal
approaches
> > that are of
> > value - Blavatsky mentions the use of Soma - but I don't
think
> > many people
> > today know how to use that method to any benefit, so
personally
> > I would warn
> > against it - g'Day! >:-) Grounge
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/01 10:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight
Time,
> > dalval14@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > I fail to see what reference to Theosophy and its study
such
> > messages
> > > have.
> > >
> > > If LSD dulls the mind and its control over the
> personality, as do
> > > all drugs, alcohol included, then why need it be
mentioned?
> > Unless as
> > > a warning. I take it this is not a warning ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dallas
> > >
> > > ============================
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: IronGround@aol.com [mailto:IronGround@aol.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Secret Doctrine - Destroyed And
Then
> > > Created Again?
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/20/01 10:17:07 AM Eastern Daylight
Time,
> > > nos@granite.net.au writes:
> > >
> > > > Have a large dose of LSD and you can experience this
> first hand.
> > > It's > freaky at first but there's nothing like applying
> the theory
> > > > practically.
> > > >
> > > > Namaste
> > > >
> > > > Nos
> > >
> > > >:-) Ha! I don't like stuff like that anymore - for the
last 25
> > > years I very much prefer things like meditation and
Astral
> > projection
> > > - still not that
> > > good at either of them, but am still working on it -
g'Day! >:-)
> > > Grounge
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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