Theos-Talk Archives (April 2000 Message tt00050)

Dear Dallas,
The Eclectic Theosophist is as reprint available still from Point Loma
Publications, San Diego, CA.
Please email Mr Kenneth Small mailto:events@wisdomtraditions.com. I am sure
he can help you.

Their homepage is http://www.wisdomtraditions.com/

What a luck that teh UNCENSORED theos-talk still exists.

Best, Frank

>
> April 17th 2000
>
> Dear Frank:
>
> I just read yours (copied below).
>
> I would be glad if you could help me with additional information.
>
> I see that you have referred me to a magazine ECLECTIC
> THEOSOPHIST that is now out of print.  Would you care to let me
> have a copy of the relevant passages ?  Or tell me where I can
> access this material to read it ?
>
> I have put some notes below in your letter and would be glad to
> have information as asked for there, if available.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Dallas
>
> ==============================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Frank
> Reitemeyer
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:52 AM
> To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: DTB = F ? Re: Joe and Dallas on Mrs.
> Katherine Tingley and her relationship to William Q. Judge
>
>
> FR Dear Dallas,
>
> information about Crosbie's view about KT before and after he was
> kicked out
> by her can for example be found in:  The Eclectic Theosophist
> Nos. 37/3, 39/8 or 101/5.
>
> DTB According to that which Crosbie said, he RESIGNED.  The entry
> made in the List of Members (I am told) is not clear as to why he
> left, it has been smudged so as to make it illegible.  It does
> not say "Kicked out."
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> FR That Crosbie accepted first KT is a matter of fact, oral and
> by documents.
>
> DTB Yes I know this and have seen these.
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> FR Also, that KT has had the same tulku powers as Judge and that
> they worked
> together in esoteric matters.
>
> DTB Where, and who says this ?  What are "tulku" powers ?
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> FR Her co-workers confirmed as witnesses that she was in direct
> connection with
> the Masters.
>
> DTB Where is this said ?
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
> FR Please let me emphazize that I do NOT underestimate the value
> of the
> important work of the ULT.  I only try to balance out what was
> too one-sided
> said against KT by Jerome before.
>
> DTB Understood.  But the "balance" still needs to be given,
> please.  As far as I can see you are quoting from secondary
> sources.  I would like to be able to get to the primary
> sources -- then we will have the FACTS and not opinions to
> consider.
> ---------------------------------------
>
>
> Frank
>
> ==================
>
> > April 16th 2000
> >
> > Dear Frank:
> >
> > You make some important and to me startling statements.
> > Would you be able to let know what are the SOURCE of those
> > statements?  Where can I find any documents that support them?
>
> > SNIP
> >
> > That which you offer is quite unsupported.
> > Is it only opinion or is it fact ?
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> > ================================
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:  Behalf Of Frank Reitemeyer
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 7:20 PM
> > To: Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com;
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] Re: Joe and Dallas on Mrs.
> > Katherine Tingley and her relationship to William Q. Judge
> >
>
> FRANK to JEROME
>
>
> > Guy, you really don't know of what you are talking about.
> > KT never held any seances,
>
> DTB I have a copy of a letter by Mr. A. Neresheimer that narrates
> one.
> -----------------------------------------
>
>
>
> FR as HPB never did, too.
> > KT was trained in the same fashion as HPB and WQJ for her task
> in
> > the outer  world.
>
> DTB Where is there evidence about this ?  Who says this ?  I know
> that this is claimed about her, but I have not seen any evidence
> of it.  Note:
>
> KT joined the TS about 3 years before Mr. Judge's death.
>
> WQJ was a designated a "Chela of 13 years" by HPB in 1888.  By
> 1896 when he died he was by then 20 years a "chela ."
> Additionally I have seen evidence that the Masters dealt directly
> with him.  I have seen no evidence so far, that KT dealt direct
> with the Masters, although this has been claimed for her.
> -------------------------------------------
>
>
> FR KT was the paraclete and the saver of Theosophy in USA.
>
> DTB Do we have a Source for this statement ?
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> FR > All that WAS accepted even by a Robert Crosbie.
> > But when Crosbie  was kicked out by KT, he began his rumors and
> > dirty talking against KT
>
> DTB Have  you any sources for this?  Who says this ?  Where is it
> said ?
> According to that which Crosbie said, he RESIGNED.  The entry
> made in the List of Members (I am told) is not clear as to why he
> left, it has been smudged so as to make it illegible.  It does
> not say "Kicked out."
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> FR and then founded his ULT.
>
> DTB Allow me a slight change here:  it was not "his ULT" but "the
> ULT."  He is not found to have made any propriety claims
> concerning the ULT.
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Frank we seem to be dealing with things at second hand, hence:
>
> I am separately publishing some facts concerning the ULT, its
> policies and its operations, for you and others to read. and
> think about.
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
> > Best, Frank
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Jerome wrote:
>
> >
> > > Katherine Tingley took care of Judge while he was dying and
> > > external observers mistook this as some kind of special
> > > relationship.  Sorry! there is plenty of hard evidence that
> the
> > > real connection thru HPB and Judge was elsewhere.  I have had
> > > people stare me straight in the face and say that Judge
> > attended  seances with Katherine Tingley ---- so much for
> fantasy!!
>
> Some  day the real story will come out.
>
> > > best,
> > > jerome
> >===================================
> >
>
>
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