Theos-Talk Archives (April 2000 Message tt00039)

April 17th 2000

Dear Frank:

I just read yours (copied below).

I would be glad if you could help me with additional information.

I see that you have referred me to a magazine ECLECTIC
THEOSOPHIST that is now out of print.  Would you care to let me
have a copy of the relevant passages ?  Or tell me where I can
access this material to read it ?

I have put some notes below in your letter and would be glad to
have information as asked for there, if available.

Thank you,


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
[mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Frank
Reitemeyer
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 7:52 AM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: DTB = F ? Re: Joe and Dallas on Mrs.
Katherine Tingley and her relationship to William Q. Judge


FR	Dear Dallas,

information about Crosbie's view about KT before and after he was
kicked out
by her can for example be found in:  The Eclectic Theosophist
Nos. 37/3, 39/8 or 101/5.

DTB	According to that which Crosbie said, he RESIGNED.  The entry
made in the List of Members (I am told) is not clear as to why he
left, it has been smudged so as to make it illegible.  It does
not say "Kicked out."
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FR	That Crosbie accepted first KT is a matter of fact, oral and
by documents.

DTB	Yes I know this and have seen these.
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FR	Also, that KT has had the same tulku powers as Judge and that
they worked
together in esoteric matters.

DTB	Where, and who says this ?  What are "tulku" powers ?
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FR	Her co-workers confirmed as witnesses that she was in direct
connection with
the Masters.

DTB	Where is this said ?
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FR	Please let me emphazize that I do NOT underestimate the value
of the
important work of the ULT.  I only try to balance out what was
too one-sided
said against KT by Jerome before.

DTB	Understood.  But the "balance" still needs to be given,
please.  As far as I can see you are quoting from secondary
sources.  I would like to be able to get to the primary
sources -- then we will have the FACTS and not opinions to
consider.
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Frank

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> April 16th 2000
>
> Dear Frank:
>
> You make some important and to me startling statements.
> Would you be able to let know what are the SOURCE of those
> statements?  Where can I find any documents that support them?

>	SNIP
>
> That which you offer is quite unsupported.
> Is it only opinion or is it fact ?
>
> Dallas
>
> ================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Behalf Of Frank Reitemeyer
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 7:20 PM
> To: Theos-Talk@Theosophy.Com;
> Subject: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] Re: Joe and Dallas on Mrs.
> Katherine Tingley and her relationship to William Q. Judge
>

	FRANK to JEROME


> Guy, you really don't know of what you are talking about.
> KT never held any seances,

DTB	I have a copy of a letter by Mr. A. Neresheimer that narrates
one.
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FR	as HPB never did, too.
> KT was trained in the same fashion as HPB and WQJ for her task
in
> the outer  world.

DTB	Where is there evidence about this ?  Who says this ?  I know
that this is claimed about her, but I have not seen any evidence
of it.  Note:

KT joined the TS about 3 years before Mr. Judge's death.

WQJ was a designated a "Chela of 13 years" by HPB in 1888.  By
1896 when he died he was by then 20 years a "chela ."
Additionally I have seen evidence that the Masters dealt directly
with him.  I have seen no evidence so far, that KT dealt direct
with the Masters, although this has been claimed for her.
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FR	 KT was the paraclete and the saver of Theosophy in USA.

DTB	Do we have a Source for this statement ?
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FR	> All that WAS accepted even by a Robert Crosbie.
> But when Crosbie  was kicked out by KT, he began his rumors and
> dirty talking against KT

DTB	Have  you any sources for this?  Who says this ?  Where is it
said ?
According to that which Crosbie said, he RESIGNED.  The entry
made in the List of Members (I am told) is not clear as to why he
left, it has been smudged so as to make it illegible.  It does
not say "Kicked out."
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FR	and then founded his ULT.

DTB	Allow me a slight change here:  it was not "his ULT" but "the
ULT."  He is not found to have made any propriety claims
concerning the ULT.
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Frank we seem to be dealing with things at second hand, hence:

I am separately publishing some facts concerning the ULT, its
policies and its operations, for you and others to read. and
think about.
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> Best, Frank


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Jerome wrote:

>
> > Katherine Tingley took care of Judge while he was dying and
> > external observers mistook this as some kind of special
> > relationship.  Sorry! there is plenty of hard evidence that
the
> > real connection thru HPB and Judge was elsewhere.  I have had
> > people stare me straight in the face and say that Judge
> attended  seances with Katherine Tingley ---- so much for
fantasy!!

Some  day the real story will come out.

> > best,
> > jerome
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>


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