Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00357)

June 15th 1998

Thanks Alan:

Some comments added below        --        Dallas

> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 12:11 AM
> From: "Dr A M Bain" <guru@nellie2.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Dal's questions

>W. Dallas TenBroeck <dalval@nwc.net>asks a number of questions,
>and so I respond from my own observations and experiences as an
>occultist of over 40 years practice.
>
>>Are there seven Principles in Man and nature ?  If so how do
they
>>interact ?
>
>Yes there are, but they don't interact.  The same seven
principles simply
>behave differently in different circumstances.  Including
turnips.


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According to HPB they do interact because they are areas where
the ONE CONSCIOUSNES -- the Atma -- uses, either consecutively or
separately, all all together -- "thus have I heard"

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>>
>>Is there a general LAW -- whether called Karma or something
>>else -- that unified the Worlds, mankind, the Galaxies and the
>>atoms ?
>
>Yes.  I think perhaps you meant to type "unifies" - the 's' on
the
>keyboard has always been too close to the 'd' :-)

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YOU ARE RIGHT -- I DID NOT CATCH IT BEFORE SENDING IT.
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>Some call this LAW "God" which is fair enough if we do not
attribute
>human characteristics to "God."
>>
>>Can it be "broken ?"  is it "partial? or complete ?"
>
>It is complete, and cannot be broken, though it appears to
rearrange its
>components on a regular basis through all seven principles (and
planes).
>>
>>Does the SPIRIT exists (at least as a logical base) ?
>
>Same thing. "God" is "Breath" [Latin Spiritus, Greek Pneuma].
We, as
>individual are "breaths." [pl.]
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agreed
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>>
>>What is the "soul of man, and if it exists, what are it powers
>>and nature ?
>
>There are two concepts of "soul."  One equates with the
>"astral/etheric" double, and is temporal and reactive.  The
other
>contains this, but extends "upwards" to include "mind" -
understood as
>the ability to viualise and interpret (not always correctly!).
As far as
>theosophical "lower manas" maybe.

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Agreed  -- equivalents:  Kama and Manas  (desire and Mind )

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>
>>What is the psychic nature as distinct from th mental ?
>
>Psychic nature is "lower manas" and below. Mental nature is
"higher
>manas" and above - while we are in incarnation.  Eventually, all
>indications seem to show, "higher manas" will be absorbed into
yet
>higher principles.
>>
AGREED


>>Is Reincarnation reasonable ?
>
>Reasonable where necessary or desirable, otherwise not.
>
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WHAT'S THE "OR NOT ?"    Desire some enlightenment

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>
>>Is the perfectibility of all nature a potential possibility ?
>
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>Perfection is a human concept.  So far as LAW is concerned,
>everything is always just as it is.  Love is real, *and* shit
happens.
>>
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I meant "Reason"

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>>Are the "Masters of Wisdom" Imaginary or possibly facts ?
>>
>There are higher intelligences (non-incarnate) who might be so
>described, but they are "masters" or "adepts" in particular
areas of the
>larger scheme of things.  Sometimes they work through living
human
>beings, but their messages are always garbled by the "lower"
functions
>of their intermediaries.  Also, they are in the same situation
as "adepts"
>on earth.  A Master Builder cannot do the work of a Master
Goldsmith.
>
>Most of those who work with humanity appear (note "appear") to
be
>former human beings.  Maybe they all are, but I have met one or
two
>who seem never to have incarnated here - which doesn't rule out
the
>possibilty of their having human characteristics.
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I agree we ue the designation "Masters" only to indicate
proficiency as comparedtoour capacities in use.

As I understand the Theosophical scheme, the progression from man
to wise-man is graded by the individual who is teaching himself
what Nature already has innately.

Tio me it stands to reason that a band of Wise men would work
together and to assist humanity as individuals thereof towards
their own limprovement and learning.

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>
>All of us on the lists spend a great deal of time in discussion
and debate.
>Very few seem to have (I hope I am wrong) direct experience of
the
>things we debate.  I have related short versions of just two of
my own
>experiences.  Why don't we all try to share what we know and
have
>found (as we see it) and quote "sources" a damn sight less
often.
>
>The sources (insofar as TS writings are concerned) are all over
the
>web, and there are many many links to them via the TI website
(see
>below).  Any of us with a web browser can go get them.  In my
own
>opinion, much of what is available is misleading, to say the
least, but I
>also believe it needs to be read and to be studied.  Often by
puzzling
>over what doesn't make sense to us, we, "the cracked" as Pam
puts it,
>we get to find the sense and the true light enters.
>
>Other sources are the gnostic, kabbalist, and various religious
writings,
>also all over the web.  None of it is 100% "true".  Turning the
other
>cheek, for example, may work according to theory, but it can
also get
>you slapped on both cheeks and more besides. This I can
definitely
>confirm!
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CORRECT  == there are many "paths" to the mystic (or actual)
GOAL.  That is something that ISIS UNVEILED and later the S D
seem to expose, so that we can grasp the similarity of the
fundamentals of all those religions we are now aware of.

 I do not think the words are all that important but th ias are.

I also agree that each in their search for "the TRUTH" appear to
rove al over the map -- but is not the striving of value -- for
them, and for us toobserve and correlate to our own strivings ?

Dallas



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