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Re:Same Objects but.....

Apr 19, 1998 04:36 PM
by M K Ramadoss

Dear Dallas:

Most timely quote. It is worth thinking about.


At 11:47 AM 4/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>April 19th 1998
>Under the 2nd grouping;
>THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY (PASADENA) the sequence ought to be:
>Judge was left out of there in the original MSG.
> = = = = = = = = = = =
>Otherwise I found it pretty correct, if one wants to survey the
>sequence of responsibility assumed by various people in time.
>But the responsibility for making statements about Theosophy is
>found to change as "students, and 'successors'" begin writing.
>That, to me, is the reason why one ought to be well grounded in
>the fundamentals as stated by Masters, HPB, Judge ... -- as those
>do not disagree.
>Judge I have found to be very reliable, as he sticks to HPB
>carefully in all he writes.
>[ His books and Articles are available On-Line, and can be
>downloaded for individual study at
>I have spent years in tracing down sources for statements made by
>various writers, and have found some curious divergences, mainly
>emanating from those who had some access to the "psychic world of
>the Astral." Or, who allowed themselves to be influenced by
>others who claimed such access. [ One ought to take some warning
>from all that HPB wrote on the subject, and of the dangers
>inherent in contacting or using it ! It has a great attraction
>for curiosity seekers. ]
>When in a "theosophical" body the "leadership, or officers,
>etc..." have arrogated to themselves the right to pick and choose
>as to what is orthodox belief and behavior, and when the money
>trail was considered more important that the preservations of the
>accuracy of the "teachings," then we have all kinds of divisions
>of opinion and confusion -- where then is "brotherhood, and
>tolerance ?"
>There is an unsigned article entitled OF FUNDS AND PROPERTY,
>printed in THE PATH, for February 1894 (Vol. 8, p. 254-7). It is
>unsigned, but appears from its style to be from Mr. Judge.
>Allow me to extract a few quotes from it:
> OF FUNDS AND PROPERTY ( Some extracts )
>"...while money is necessary to get bread to eat, it is not
>entirely necessary for the work of the T S.... If the T S ... had
>always possessed a fund and property, there would always be those
>who, moved by selfish motives, would struggle to gain possession
>of the money and the use of the property for their own benefit.
>But without a fund belonging to the treasury, the Society [in
>America] has steadily grown in influence and numbers.
>This is because instead of money to fight for we have had an
>inspiring ideal, and instead of corporate funds to work with we
>have had devotion which causes the members to use in the work of
>the organization their own private means untrammeled by the
>treasury rules. Thus the Society is poor, and it is sincerely to
>be hoped that it will always remain without a fund as a
>temptation to the cupidity of man. ...
>The funds that are used in the work...and spent during the year
>should remain the property of private persons who devote them to
>the uses of the Society freely and in whatever direction their
>conscience permits.
>If we accumulate a large corporate fund we will also accumulate
>around it those human beings who unconsciously as well as
>deliberately conceal their motives, who ask to be allowed to work
>so that they may be paid, and who as members of the whole body
>owning the fund might have a right to demand its division ...
>If persons have money which they desire to devote in large sums
>to the
>society's work, they should either use it themselves in the lines
>of that activity or deliver it over to such devoted workers as
>have shown that their guide in life is self-sacrifice for the
>whole. ...
>We ought not to encourage large donations to the treasury, but
>should spread about the principle that private means should be
>liberally given to the tried ones for use in their discretion
>when the giver does not know how or has not the opportunity to
>use it himself...
>But make a large treasury fund, and then no barnacle or drone
>could be shaken off once it had fastened on the old ship, because
>he would have as voice in the management of means. Again, those
>capricious, suspicious persons who always know the date of a
>penny or the number of a bill would harass those who had the
>Again, our poverty and lack of earthly applause and reward have
>saved us from cranks and sectarians who, subliminally attracted
>by wealth, would prate of doctrine and duty while they stood
>guard over the cash-box. In the strength of our ideal and
>devotion is our power, and that work which is done without reward
>or the hope of it and without the blighting influence of a debit
>and credit account goes further and lasts longer than any which
>is given as return for a money consideration.
> [ PATH magazine, February 1894, Vol. 8, p.
>254-7 ]
>But the point I always get back to is that the message of
>THEOSOPHY as being the most significant "gift" that we have
>received in the last 125 years. If we fail to assimilate and to
>know what it is, then our opportunity, our "good Karma" which
>drew us to this knowledge in this incarnation is .... lost, gone,
>wasted, deferred till the distant future, and those who we could
>have helped are also delayed in their advance... and that
>responsibility will be ours to bear.
>With best wishes Dallas
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "M K Ramadoss" <>
>Date: Saturday, April 18, 1998 5:49 PM
>Subject: Re:Same Objects but.....
>>Wonderful summary. Let me add:
>>TI - Everyone including you and me.
>>At 06:10 PM 4/18/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>>In a message dated 98-04-17 06:02:56 EDT, Thoa :o) wrote:
>>><< Any difference? Anyway, the objects look the same >>
>>>The differences are:
>>>UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS= The Masters, Blavatsky, Judge,
>>>THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY (PASADENA) = The Masters, Blavatsky,
>Katherine Tingley, G. de Purucker, James A. Long
>>>ADYAR THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY = The Masters, Blavatsky, Henry
>Steel Olcott, T. Subba Row, G. R. S. Mead, A. P. Sinnett, Annie
>Besant, C.W. Leadbeater, William Kingsland, Jinarajadasa, George
>Arundale, Rukmini Devi, Geoffrey Hodson, Clara Codd, Ernest Wood,
>Bhagavan Das, I. K. Taimni, Sydney A. Cook, Irving S. Cooper,
>Edward L. Gardner, James S. Perkins, Hugh Shearman, E. Lester
>Smith, N. Sr Ram, Rohit Mehta, P. Pavri, A. E. Powell, Duncan
>Greenlees, J. J. Van Der Leeuw, Adelaide Gardner, Charles
>Hampton, Claude Bragdon, Laurence & Phoebe Bendit, Felix Layton,
>H. K. Challoner, Arthur
>>>Robson, Christmas Humphreys, Arthur Osborn, MacGregor Geddes,
>Howard Murphet, Robert Ellwood, Geoffrey Farthing, Stephan A.
>Hoeller, Ken Wilbur, Radha Burnier, Virginia Hanson, Shirley
>Niicholson, Dora Kunz, Joy Mills, John Algeo, etc. etc., etc.
>etc.,etc., >>Lmhem111 SNIP

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