Theos-Talk Archives (December 1997 Message tt00078)

Dec 15th 1997

Dear Mark:

Thanks for yours of the 14th.  Basics --- Well, I/m never sure that you,
for instance with whom I've not had much correspondence would agree with
what I think are those.  So excuse the long palaver.  If I am verbose it is
because I want to be clear from the beginning.  Edit what you don't need or
want, or which we agree on.

Subject of "Good and evil."  Many argue about this and seem to get nowhere.


My thinking says --  If there is a universal Law (or set of laws) which,
interacting, hold the whole mixed bag of things together in time, space and
objective, then "good" might be cooperating with such a set up, not
pragmatically, or blindly, but because it seems to be that which is the
most valuable and honest -- after all as far as we know it has taken care
of evolution in the Universe and our won particular selves up to now, and,
presumably it takes care now, of the smallest as well as the greatest
things in that Universe, and in and upon our World.

We are only somewhere in between, and quite important to ourselves.  But we
live and grow and there are millions of things we don't at present know how
or why they work.

So "evil" would be that which we might do in contravention or distortion of
those Laws (perhaps because we desire to preserve something we own, or hope
to own).  In other words we are not strictly honest or sincere in dealing
with nature around us or with other humans -- this impresses the small
portions of Nature of which we are formed with that selfish impression.
They, becoming distorted by that react on us now, or in the future and
bring us accidents, and problems which are not punitive (as I understand
it) but rather educative -- so that we may learn the extent to which our
earlier non-cooperation has affected the environment.

Perhaps this is over-simplified.  But in a cooperative, trust of others is
a prime.


The paradox you refer to seems to me to involve contrasts that exist in
nature in harmony.  It is man, with his mind and sense of self to be
preserved which forms what is called the "ego" -- the lower, selfish self.
and this seeks to perpetuate itself and what it considers its ease at all
costs.  when challenged argument ensues in an attempt to justify its
assumed position.  Is not the national symbol that Korea adopted an
illustration of this eternal balance ?  --the intertwining of the Yang/Yin.
 Also:  this interlaced pair is to be seen in the "Seal of Solomon" as two
interlaced triangles each pointing at opposite directions, and yet
intertwined?

That is why I simplified as I suggested.

I see the human condition as one where evolution leads the MONAD into and
through the trials of independence, freedom, creativity (and its risks),
and self-teaching (which is something I find to be a common factor
throughout my life so far).  Our field of learning is as vast or as small
as we make it by choice.  Success, as an ultimate, might be the capacity to
perceive laws in operation which envelop the whole, and permit us, when we
acquire proficiency, to perceive the most minute of these in operation as
well as the effect that our choices make on every sensitive and living
being in the environment.

This is to my mind a moral quantum which is beginning to be sensed by
advanced scientists, who attune themselves to the Gaia concept and to the
variants that quanta imply.  And this is perhaps one of the objects of
HPB's mission:  to draw our attention to the moral responsibility that each
of us incurs when we make decisions.  Karma in operation becomes a subject
for our immediate consideration.  We become students of law and its effect
on ourselves and others.

She came to show "materialists" among other things, that underlying the
form, whether atomic or multi molecular, there has to be a force, a cause,
an energy which lives on a plane invisible so far to our mechanical probes,
and which frames the relations of all those multitudes of "physical matter"
particles that when aggregated give us the structures of elements and
compounds in any quantity.  Now look at who is blathering !

I think you are right in your thought about the universality of the life
currents and waves which penetrate all strata of the universe and serve as
uniting bonds.  They may be administered by Intelligences that appear very
superior, but if such a superiority has been achieved, then the "path," or
"way" to such achievement has not been hidden or withheld from us.  I think
that I understand correctly that it is through weighing the moral effect of
all decisions that one makes one's self "harmless" to others, while at the
same time performing such acts and duties as seem to be natural to us in
whatever position we might be.

As you say "wise love is the governor."

	Thanks for the valuable ideas 				Dallas

> From: "Mark Kusek" <mark@withoutwalls.com>
> Subject: Re: Krishnamurti, Jung, Hegel and conflict
> Date: Sunday, December 14, 1997 4:50 PM
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> > Dallas wrote:
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