Theos-Talk Archives (December 1997 Message tt00077)

Dec 15th 1997

Dear Jerry S:

I find it thrilling to come across such corroboration as you advance.  when
I started studying Theosophy I had received ISIS UNVEILED as a gift, and I
read it each evening for an hour or more until I had finished going through
it.  and then I began again as I was not satisfied with the indexing and
had to make many notes -- as I did this the concept built that the ancients
had more or less the same general ideas but of course expressed them in
different words and somewhat different ways,  But there was enough
similarity to make one wonder if that unity of Source might not be a
probability.

I then noticed that HPB had selected most of the main antique religious
systems and after making sure that academics could trace some valuable
references in literature, she drew them to see the analogies.

Since then I have studied all I could find that let to an understanding of
this great "HISTORY OF IDEAS which both ISIS and the SD seem to show.

It is a wonderful journey of exploration and many pleasant bye ways of
corroboration among the great writers of our pat have resulted.

It is interesting that the Tibetan books you refer to show how in any one
period of manifestation there are three divisions:

	1.	Bliss (spiritual wisdom and life)	=	Nirvana

	2.	Our world in the middle =   a field of Learning named also
				Samsara,  action and reaction,  and

	3.	The "Abyss" -- which perhaps should remain undefined for 				the
moment.  And yet, everything that 				becomes humanly conscious arises from
				that "Abyss" which terrifies the intelligent 				Mind being.

	I would say that taken together they form a circle, and we
have "Kala-chakra," the circle of time, within illimitable DURATION.

						thanks,  Dallas

> From: "Jerry Schueler" <gschueler@netgsi.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Krishnamurti, Jung, Hegel and conflict
> Date: Sunday, December 14, 1997 2:44 PM
>
> >
> >1. A common SOURCE from which the contrasts of "spirit" and "matter"
emerge
> >during "manifestations."  It is also that same SOURCE which, at the end
of
> >any manifestation serves as the "resting place" between that ending and
the
> >fresh beginning.  [ Analogous to sleeping and waking activities in daily
> >life; sleeping, allowing the body to refresh its vigor through rest.]
> >
> >IT (the SOURCE) is always there as a "background," regardless of
> >"beginning," or antiquity; extent (in present, or past, or future
"space");
> > or any forward, or conceivable "end."
> >
>
>
> This "common source" is the Primordial Ground discussed in many
> new Tibetan Buddhist books available today. According to Dzogchen
> Buddhism, this source manifests as both nirvana (above the Abyss)
> and samsara (below the Abyss). Its just this kind of affirmation that
> makes me think HPB knew her Mahayana Buddhism quite well.
>
> Jerry S.