Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00046)

Dear Michael and friends

My views are:

Thank you for your answer.

We all have our views and we cannot always agree upon all and everything.
But, in a group like this I find it possible, that we might learn something when we exchange words with each other.
And that will not unlikely help promoting altruism.

Michael you wrote:
"Altruism comes from the heart, and the heart does not work well in groups."

M. Sufilight says:
I wonder whether it is not the opposite. Most spiritual persons are in fact saying this.
There is no heart of compassion in solitude. The open heart always seek togetherness.
Human beings a social creatures.

How can you forward altruism if there is no one to forward it to?

Michael you wrote:
"I have lately been observing more clearly the fact that nice, sane people tend to become dysfunctional
the more they try to fit themselves into a group matrix." 

M. Sufilight says:
I wonder how you define the term "group matrix"?
Sectarian or non-sectarian?

Sect or Sectarian is by me defined as:
I often experience that the word "Sect" or "Sectarian" are defined in a wide variety of modes and ways. I therefore forward the following formulation, which might make my previous post in this thread more understandable.

If a leader or a group of leaders, (which often has a chair), in a spiritual group or a new Age group - choose to promulgate or maintain doctrinas being that advanced, or advocated by the Society - and - do so on behalf of the members. Doctrinas which not clearly clarifiy the difference between sectarian and non-sectarian activities, or, which do not forward a teaching with regard to subtle Mind Control (Try this page by a wellknown Exit-Counsellor: The B.I.T.E. model -  http://freedomofmind.com/bite/ or as shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3FO0pAj528 ) --- and --- a set of Doctrinas which are not forwarded as being open for criticism or which are not allowed to be exchanged upon through comparative studying etc. or voiced critically about - I define as a Sectarian organisation or group within the New Age or spirituality or among religions. - Such a group can be based on profit and with the aim that the leader for instance are able to sell his or her own books where the forwarded doctrinas are to be found etc. - or - so that the leader might be able live out his or her need for being a big personality - and - thereby call such an activity deeply Spiritual and compassionate. - Non-sectarian Philosophical groups and organisations does not operate like this. The Theosophical Society did not operate like this in the period 1875-1891. (See the "Constitution and Rules for the Theosophical Society" in 1891 here: http://www.global-theosophy.net/ts_constitution_rules.php  or the Theosophist in 1890-1891 here: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/theosophist/theosophist_vol_12_convention_report_1890.pdf page 33 (65) - See Article I and also Article XIII )
However I also recognize that there can be sects which are helpful in spreading compassion - until a certain level, and that they are not necessarily operating extremely negatively by the use of sublte Mind Control. There are various degrees of sectarian behaviour and subtle Mind Control in various sects. This is important to have a focus upon, as I see it. 
This was my definition of the word "Sectarian" or "Sect".

The following very interesting Tv-program might reveal something more about the issue, and how different various persons relate to the ideas of Sects and Cults. This example is quite interesting, because the organisation are very much related to the Theosophical Society and the various other theosophical groups and off-shoots we have today.


CUT/Summit Lighthouse on Oprah 1 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZzEcLYehME
CUT/Summit Lighthouse on Oprah 2 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p556PCNHLUI&feature=related
CUT/Summit Lighthouse on Oprah 3 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc8DyDF6Z6M&feature=related
CUT/Summit Lighthouse on Oprah 4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NHTVF23_wc&feature=related
CUT/Summit Lighthouse on Oprah 5 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrsr11I9z10&feature=related


VIDEO
Creative Abundance: Keys to Spiritual Prosperity - Elizabeth Clare Prophet 
(See also H. P. Blavatsky's book "The key to Theosophy" - "PRAYER KILLS SELF-RELIANCE " page 71  --- http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p71  --- "Children should above all be taught self-reliance, love for all men, altruism, mutual charity, and more than anything else, to THINK and REASON FOR THEMSELVES.", by Blavatsky on page 271; caps added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTs7VfbA_08&feature=related


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Michael wrote:
"I might add that my understanding is that the Brotherhood of whom KH, M and Co were and are members has given many more advanced teachings, methods and movements during the 20th Century. In then will be found great keys to higher consciosness, adeptship and self-Mastery.  But each of these must first be mastered by an individual.  No group can do such without at least some members establishing their personal mastery."

M. Sufilight says:
Although I do not quite agree with you, I might have overlooked something.
Would you be kind and tell me about what "methods and movements during the 20th Century" has been given by the Masters KH, M and Co?

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I was the Masters chiefs who ordred H. P. Blavatsky to begin the Theosophical Society with H. S. Olcott.

Concerning H.P.B.'s special position in relation to the Eastern adepts, the following quotes from letters of the Mahatmas K.H. and M. indicate her unique status: 
  "... imperfect as may be our visible agent - and often most unsatisfactory and imperfect she is - yet she is the best available at present. . . . "  The Mahatma Letters, 2nd edition, Letter 2.   Italics added.

  "This state of hers is [H.P.B.'s] intimately connected with her occult training in Tibet, and due to her being sent out alone into the world to gradually prepare the way for others. After nearly a century of fruitless search, our chiefs had to avail themselves of the only opportunity to send out a European body. . . . "   The Mahatma Letters, 2nd edition, Letter 26.   Italics added.

  "[H.P.B. is] . . . a woman of most exceptional and wonderful endowments. Combined with them she had strong personal defects, but just as she was, there was no second to her living fit for this work. We sent her to America. . . . " The Mahatma Letters, 2nd edition, Letter 45
  http://blavatskyarchives.com/hpbsstatusmission.htm



Now have those "chiefs" sent anyone since that time or since 1975? Who?




M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: M. Michael Crown 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:47 PM
  Subject: theos-talk Re: Are the TS organisations and offshoots merely members of the New Age


    


  Ah, the eternal pursuit of organized altruism. 

  To draw all effort under one catholic/universal umbrella for united action. 

  It doesn't seem to Me that that is the way of Aquarius. 

  Twould be great to be so, especially and moreso if I was its leader, no doubt. 

  But the way of Aquarius is each person moving under his own I AM Self.
  It is people gathering in associations for times and then evolve, grow, transcend and morph into something else for anothe cycle, another set of stars and their challenges they bring. 

  Altruism comes from the heart, and the heart does not work well in groups.  

  I have lately been observing more clearly the fact that nice, sane people tend to become dysfunctional
  the more they try to fit themselves into a group matrix. 

  And Awareness also doesn't work well in groups.  It tends to fall into legalistic formulations of should's and don'ts.

  Perhaps in Aquarius we will over cycles evolve ways to work well in groups. 

  I might add that my understanding is that the Brotherhood of whom KH, M and Co were and are members has given many more advanced teachings, methods and movements during the 20th Century. In then will be found great keys to higher consciosness, adeptship and self-Mastery.  But each of these must first be mastered by an individual.  No group can do such without at least some members establishing their personal mastery. 

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