Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00187)

According to many sources, Human Nature has not changed for ages. That is
why even today with all the advances in modern tools of communication,
politicians travel around the country, meet with voters, personally address
them about issues and this works.

TS is organized with total autonomy at all levels and this is meant to be
encourage individual initiatives. Basically the field of action is at the
local lodge/center level.

Looking at the trends in membership recruitment and retention, it is amazing
that there is a steady growth in the Indian Section. On the other hand,
there is a steady drop outside India. A classic example is United States.
During Dora Kunzâs time, the membership was double that of what it is today.
This is in spite of some of the well known, able, dedicated, scholarly,
leaders at the helm.

With all the talk about TS and its future, none of the leaders have the
courage to discuss it head-on and take some swift actions to reverse the
trend. Instead what we have seen is their actions since the last election
and also the attempts to secretly seize control of the International
Presidency. For activities at local levels, it does not matter who is at
Adyar.

It looks like there is nothing wrong with the structure of TS. I am reminded
of the comment by one of the Founders when London Lodge members complained
of the lack of progress, they were told that it was all due causes created
by them.

Since the time of Besant, much material has been written about the unseen
world and the intricate details observed by clairvoyancy. Whether one agrees
with them or not, it is a fact that there has been a shift in priorities
over the years. Many think that too much emphasis on unseen world at the
cost of de-emphasis on the First Object may have contributed to the
non-response from the public to theosophy.

If one looks at the famous Maha Chohan letter, which many consider as a
charter of TS and future of theosophy, the emphasis on the first object is
very clear. The Chohan did not discuss the need for action at spiritual
level and also issues such as meditation and other practices or any emphasis
on the unseen world.

May be if Sections take the First Object, as the most important, and leaders
visit the lodges and centers, as like days of old, the downward trend can be
turned around. Taking time off from the time and energy spent on rules and
regulations governing Adyar and instead turn the attention to spur lodges
and centers into action may yield immediate results. Unless one tries, one
does not know what works and does not work.

My 0.02

MKR

There is no religion higher than Truth


On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Spirituality <mail@l4hi-Oxmd6g6Q139tTYQwqXs2pkFwZQHwf52LLukUexdU10lQ0PpT9yRY3uqeUm7dFzAUkVAowZJoYg9VthvQoYZ9CM.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the vote of confidence.
>
> Personally I'm not that convinced though that the TS is in a position to
> expect a new dawn in this vehicle. Or more plainly: is this winter, or is
> this disease that kills? Is the vehicle developed in the 19th and early 20th
> century still fit for what humanity needs in the 21st? And if it isn't, can
> and will it be changed to fit humanity as it is now?
>
> I really don't know - however, here's my latest:
>
> http://www.moderntheosophy.com/2010/radha-burnier-7th-president-theosophical-society/
>
> Katinka
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Martin
> <Mvandertak@...> wrote:
> >
> > The people at the top are always wary of their position, this comes with
> their
> > job. On top of a mountain one thinks one can oversee the armies, however
> down on
> > the ground is where real life happens...
> > Maybe some leaders should go and find a job instead of commanding armies
> that
> > don't take them serious.
> > Summer comes before the Fall, and in Autumn the leaves fall on the
> ground. Study
> > the leaves and share your stories on them in Winter, so that in Spring
> the TS
> > may jump forward with newly chosen leaders...
> > Dan Noga and Katinka Hesselink are 2 of my favorites...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: MKR <mkr777@...>
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:28:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: News Flash - What is going on behind the
> Scenes in
> > Adyar Society
> >
> >
> > I am glad that the issue of misleading secrecy was pointed out in the
> > article.
> >
> > About 10 years ago, when I requested 990 form from Wheaton, I was asked
> why
> > I need it. (My suspicion is that there was something in it that the
> leaders
> > did not like to be revealed outside the little circle.)
> >
> > It took some years before IRS forced all tax exempt organizations to
> freely
> > provide them and now they are on the web.
> >
> > There appears to be a built-in mentality in the leaders in doing things
> even
> > when secrecy is detrimental. When one is in that mode too long, it is
> very
> > difficult to think of real transparency.
> >
> > Transparency and Internet go hand in hand, whether one likes it or not
> and
> > Internet is here to stay.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:31 PM, jdmsoares <jdmsoares@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear MKR, Erica, friends,
> > >
> > > Thanks MKR fro your thoughts.
> > >
> > > I think the article "The Future of Adyar Society
> > > <
> http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/10/future-of-adyar-society_18.h>>
> > > " raises important questions and touches on some crucial
> > > points of the current crisis.
> > >
> > > I hope that more people could read that article. All theosophists
> > > deserve to know the nature of Adyar crisis and the opportunities ahead
> > > when choosing the path of truth instead of political games.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Joaquim
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your feedback.
> > > >
> > > > It is a pity that the dues paying members had to find out
> > > organizational
> > > > information and activities of elected leaders from outside sources,
> > > courtesy
> > > > of Internet.
> > > >
> > > > If it is the intent of the leaders in the West to remove the elected
> > > VP,
> > > > they they should boldly say so to their members and work openly for
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Also if it is their contention that the election is not legit, the
> > > logical
> > > > recourse is to go to the courts. We all remember the litigation
> > > experience
> > > > that US Section had regarding the Boston Lodge, the current
> litigation
> > > > regarding the Orlando lodge and the now famous litigation regarding
> > > the
> > > > Co-masonry.
> > > >
> > > > We are all reminded of the famous statement made by HPB to the effect
> > > that
> > > > TS can never be killed in India even though it can have troubles in
> > > the
> > > > West. All the troubles since 2007 originated in the West.
> > > >
> > > > The decision of the Founders, in the early days of TS, to move the HQ
> > > from
> > > > NY to India, seen in retrospect, a far sighted and a wise one -- who
> > > knows,
> > > > the Founders may be fully aware of the strength TS will have in India
> > > > compared to any other country in the world. It is further confirmed
> in
> > > the
> > > > steady growth of TS in India when the growth is going South outside
> > > India in
> > > > spite of fat treasuries.
> > > >
> > > > It looks like more interesting facts may come out. Fortunately,
> > > Internet is
> > > > there to help all of us to keep abreast of happenings minute by
> > > minute. Let
> > > > us keep tuned.
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:43 PM, esapress@ esapress@...:
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fascinating, very interesting reading - thanks for the info.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > ><theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > MKR
> > > > > mkr777@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a very interesting article titled ÃÆÃÂÃÂÃâÅÃÂÃâÃ"THE
> FUTURE
> > > OF ADYAR
> > > > > SOCIETYÃÆÃÂÃÂÃâÅÃÂÃÂÃâÅàat
>
> > >
> > > > > > the URL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It makes interesting reading. What is significant is the
> statement
> > > of the
> > > > > > activities purported to be going on behind the scenes by the same
> > > > > > theosophical leaders who tried to defeat Radha Burnier alleging
> > > she was
> > > > > sick
> > > > > > both physically and mentally and also behind the subsequent
> failed
> > > ultra
> > > > > > secret attempt to disenfranchise all the members and seize the
> > > power to
> > > > > > appoint the President in the place of current world-wide
> election.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am sure you will find the article of interest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MKR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no religion higher than Truth
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