Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00122)

Dear John adn friends

My views are:

John wrote:
"In order to create a public that wants and desires what you offer you have to offer what they actually will reach for and based on book sales (which is one good parameter to measure the current publics "reach" it seems to me to be everything that Morten wants to erase from existance however fron people of my age may see differently. "

M. Sufilight (alias Morten) says:
One might think, that this is my view, based on some of my writings here at Theos-talk. But it is not. I am not attempting a dead-letter copy of the Original Programe of The Theosophical Society - but one related to time, place, people and circumstances. The question is why the Original Programe should drop its essence and its frame - that is: opposing dogmas and materialism, seeking to end the strifes between the worlds religions, showing it self as a clear contrast to Christian Churches and Spiritualism in general, and avoid politics while being base on altruism - while forwarding the view: "No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrinas being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."

To pander on the public prejudices was and never will be the aim of the Original Theosophical Society teachings. It seeks altruism and not secterian behaviour - and it seeks comparative studying (of books and other things, even non-physical studying when possible) so that each Seeker might find the meaning and the truth about life - in a search based on altruism together with many fellow Seekers - despite their differences. This I find many fail to understand the importance of in theosophical and AAB circles and other circles as well.

Those who want something else, need to go elsewhere first - until the arrive at such a place.

But, these are just my views. I do hope, that this helped clarifiy things, and that I do not misunderstand you.


M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Augoeides-222@CUuv1nMb1WdA95D-t8I-k0ncdwZGxK-0tBiQ9NR1drvdRG38G-9Pi2oJIK1fqjzcWLW4ngaKNUUa6m4CnE6TzKsy.yahoo.invalid 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:06 AM
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled


    
  Theo, 
  Thank for your comments and reply. My view about Theosophy has been from time to time posted here. I have the position that was inculcated by knowledge I got when exposed to Scientilogical methods I was taugh such as Goals- Targeting - Survey techniques. In order to know what is "Wanted - Desired- and Reached for" one does a type of market survey to find out just what turns people on and off. The result gives a pretty good indication of the present state of the consciousness of a population such as the current young generation which is removed from Blavatskys days by 119 years of" start - change - stop" process which forms the evolution seen. The victorian age ended 
  largely becuase of evolution of science and mans expanded understanding and reason. People just do not reach out or desire the same things of Blavatsky's time. In order to create a public that wants and desires what you offer you have to offer what they actually will reach for and based on book sales (which is one good parameter to measure the current publics "reach" it seems to me to be everything that Morten wants to erase from existance however fron people of my age may see differently. Today they hold "Psychic and Paranormal Fairs" and "UFO Conventions" in Europe, Asia, So, America, America, Canada, Australia and gather large public attendence by persons able and willing to pay some times $600 -700 USD to see videos, listen to presentations about Psychic, Paranormal, UFO, Life after Death, NDE's, Past Life Recalls and a plethora of other subject matter. This, for the last several decades has been a "Success Formula" that even though it does not represent a significant percentile of the general population it easily gathers more people annually than the entire world wide population of Theosophical Societies in my view. 

  In the i970's I used to go to the Besant Lodge on Beachwood Dr. in Hollywood. On what was called then the "Temple Hill "area. The directorvback then a Frank Silberman. After entering the front vestibule one stepped into the book store that had the primary Theosophical titles by Blavatsky, Olcutt and Judge etc. But these volumes took only a little space of the total shelf space. The rest was occupied then like now by books on the above mentioned topics. The reason for that was that that is what sold! Lodges are significantly supported by book sales income which also is part of the tithe sent to HDQTRS. 

  My view is Blavatsky's "Economy of the Being" , "The Seven Fold Constitution" that defines that "gestalt" of each persons individual make up, and which is the determining operative make-up that causes people to "Reach" is not something any one can postulate away, or evade the existence of. To my view it is a "senior" operating contributor to what is "Acceptable and "Desired" by each persons economy, moment to moment, through each life time that dictates what attracts each of us to what we will gather to ourselves as fullfillment, gratification, and expansiveness to our beingness and understanding according to our karmic aggregates that are in manisfestation unique to our individualitys. If Theosophy has a deficit in terms of what is "Wanted", "Desired", "Needed" I and the others such asa young generation will never be attracted no matter how much others wish it to happen. 

  Mkr has spoken of the large attendance to Theosophy in India by Indians. But to really know why it attracts them an in depth analytical measurement and survey should be performed. I think the findings will be very specific to the Indian culture self concepts which will be unique to them. Also there has been mention of the large Brazilian interest 
  as to Theosophy, i entertain a view that Brazil has a very large interest in "Spiritualism" a long established character in Brazil. There seems to be a large following after the teachings Alan Cardec Mesmerism in Brazil both areas lend to easy curiosity as regards Theosophy, Brazil has the "Mountain of the Magicians' some wherethere but I have forgotten what Martin Leiderman told meppersonally in 1970's and I haven't been abel to find it otherwise. My point is today there are yet certain "Cultures" that have populations that can be receptive in different degree's than more western industrialized nations due to the "receptivity" of the populace to the "Mysteries" composed of a multitude of unknowns to them. Not everyone wants to be a buddhist or other type, "differentiation" is the modis operandi and homogenaity is a pipe dream. 

  Some have mentioned lodges that have Teaching Courses all over the world. Well it takes considerable time spent when it is a in depth worthwhile course, usually with a course "Fee" that helps support the maintenance of the roof over the head of the lodge itself an other expenses. Courses are worth while. But time is not always found next to the whell of necessity of daily life and work. So many just will purchase books on subjects they value for personal reasons. Online Blog and discussion groups can be a good experience as well as expansive to friendship with other who have the same interests. 

  Today there can be "Personal Channels" created by individuals or Organizations that have a wide character from mediated instructor ship or only documentarys without personal exposures. I have seen a variety of them online. In China today the Chinese User internet population is over 300 million individuals almost the entire population of the USA. In china today there is a protacted ongoing UFO Flap that features videos and cell phone photos thown on nationa and local news here in the USA. The Chinese have a large legacy of beliefs, superstitions, curiositys etc, yet a brand new middle class has appeared that is transforming the directions of minds there as has happened practically everywhere else in serial order on this planet over time. Hamlets Mill will grind those who persist in being resistant to change to make flour of them. 

  What happened to the previous world and civilizations was "Start- Change-Stop" we need to be able to see that when it is happening with awareness and conscious truth. Then make the proper appropiate adaptions. The Sumer, Accadians, Hyksos, Assyrians, Hittite, Lemurians, Altantians and all the rest became flour when they failed to move in time with the wave of change, solve et coagula. We dissolve and appear a new having appropiateness and context as dictated by evolutions of our beingness in keeping with the "Lords of Karma" on the dynamic scales of magnitudes, micro to macro, as Blavatsky spoke of as well as many others past. 

  To me , it is not a question of "deviation" from a set program, but the Reality and senior Nature of Life , that which is the All that we come with, and All that is About us, of we we are it's ray of expression. Once I and others were instructed "Seek not of I ----- Seek rather the Energy of your own Being ---- and the Space that is About you". We have our existance in the Ocean of Beauty a la Proclus and Plotinus, we sail as sailors like the Argonauts pushed by the waves of Life itself. 

  Regards to all, 
  John 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "paijmanstheo" <th.paijmans@eeKluHZxLMVl4s7w9PPeetJbWfHjbYAXj5_KOwywechoKLRX9fgE0axvtUPqS-JsBZOAv9-IAVH9LRg22A.yahoo.invalid> 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:20:01 PM 
  Subject: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled 

  Hi John, you know that I hold you in the highest of respects. And I am much educated by your posts on Juan Moricz - you being my only, learned source as to that. 

  In regards to the url you cite, I am puzzled by the fact that theosophy - at one time at the forefront of human development - in the 21st century has dwindled to a sorry state where it is seen as an, at most, curious superstition or an erroneous cultic belief system developing out of the reactionary forces to the early industrialisation processes of western society (six years before "Isis Unveiled" saw print the steam engine was 'discovered') - has not grasped this unique era in embracing the various new communications platforms. 

  My estimate is that this is for a variety of reasons: fear and lack of understanding of the new, lack of trust in a new generation, failure to understand evolutionary processes in regards to the tension fields created by adherence to dogma in the austere bodies of wisdom and the esoteric schools, and utmost sloppiness in regards to heritage preservation and maintenance. 

  Kind regards, 

  Theo 

  --- In theos-talk@84MQWkYNXqUgPwr7ldlT-KMBZTeuxsOWszQ-TIm3QTCOOOOdTaoH5Ggh7yq_C8nP6p7suKPfdwgX8gkR-mTqHag.yahoo.invalid , Augoeides-222@... wrote: 
  > 
  > Theo, 
  > I wanted to give you a website link: 
  > 
  > Links to Theosophical Texts Online 
  > 
  > >>> http://www.austheos.org.au/clibrary/bindex-t.html <<< 
  > 
  > You and others might find some unread worthy documents among the links. What is your view of Juan Moric z ? 
  > 
  > Regards, 
  > John 
  > 

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



  

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]