Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00078)

Well, never actually having seen the ES material I have no personal grounds 
 for making a comparison, only being able to say that I never heard anyone 
in the  ES laugh at the comment.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 10/9/2010 1:18:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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Smile.
I would say: Not stolen, but more precisely  distorted.

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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010  8:03 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

I think the  key came in an brief exchange in the Olcott Library many years 
ago. An elderly  lady was staying at Olcott for a short time, doing 
something Theosophical, and  she came into the library walked into the stacks and 
asked why the writings of  Alice Bailey were there, not because of any 
objection to what they said, but  because, as she said, they were all stolen from 
the Esoteric Section  teachings.

That alone would send them up the walls and over the  battlements.

Chuck the Heretic

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Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2010 6:21  am
Subject: theos-talk Re: Aurobindo's madman?

This was a very  contemporary article to have been written a hundred years 
ago! As for the  "dethroning of popes" that still is the main thing needed 
IMO. But now in  addition to an authoritarian mindset on behalf of the 
current leadership, the  popes of 100 years ago are untouchable, beyond criticism, 
still enthroned even  though long dead. 

I would think that Morten and I agree about the  relative value of the 
writings of Leadbeater and Bailey compared to those of  HPB. I'd be equally 
disinclined to spend time on either one, but if others in  a group wanted to 
study them would not object, just skip those classes. But  the difference in 
the TS is that nothing negative can ever said about the  former, nothing 
positive about the latter, without making The Powers That Be  extremely 
uncomfortable. What is it about Bailey in particular that creates  such a paranoid 
atmosphere throughout the TS?

--- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , Duane Carpenter  <monad_monad_monad@...> 
wrote:
>
> Great Article Jim
>  This extracted section of the article really gave important insights.
>  
> Aurobindo: Claims of Theosophy
> 
> 
> "If  Theosophy is to survive, it must first change itself. It must learn 
that  
> mental rectitude to which it is now a stranger and improve its moral  
basis. It 
> must become clear, straightforward, rigidly self-searching,  sceptical in 
the 
> nobler sense of the word. It must keep the Mahatmas  in the background 
and put 
> God and Truth in the front. Its Popes must  dethrone themselves and 
enthrone the 
> intellectual conscience of  mankind. If they wish to be mystic and secret 
like 
> our Yogins, then  they must like our Yogins assert only to the initiate 
and the 
>  trained; but if they come out into the world to proclaim their mystic 
truths  
> aloud and seek power, credit and influence on the strength of their  
assertions, 
> then they must prove. It need not and ought not to be  suddenly or by 
miracles; 
> but the_re must be a scientific development,  we must be able to lay hold 
on the 
> rationale and watch the process of  the truths they proclaim." 
> 
> Circa 1910/12
> 
>  
> ________________________________
> From: jamesbergh  <jamesbergh@...>
> To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
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> Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010  7:12:33 PM
> Subject: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?
> 
> Ã  
> I was reading an article by Aurobindo, Claims of Theosophy  at:
> www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/17/0015_e.htm
> 
> He  wrote in 1910/12: ...The only member of the Theosophical Society who 
could  
> give me any spiritual help I could not better by my unaided  faculties, 
was one 
> excluded from the esoteric section because of his  rare and potent 
experiences 
> were unintelligible to Theosophical  guides... one who meddled not in 
> organizations and election cabals  but lived like a madman, unmattavat."
> 
> Could have been some  other Chuck, but I wonder who this soul may have 
been.
> 
> Any  ideas?
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
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