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Re: theos-talk James and Martin

Oct 09, 2010 06:44 PM
by Martin

Rumi is a hero on my website, hahaha
I am glad K. Paul Johnson started a topic on Aurobindo, besides Aurobindos' 
writings lead me long ago towards another great man Paramahansa Yogananda, who 
besides being a lousy singer made a great song "My Lord, I will be Thine 
always". This song is great and holds the mystery of Self in the SELF and 
contains a very mystical athmosphere...

It is here:


I may go far, farther than the farthest star, but I will be Thine  always! 
Devotees may come, devotees may go, but I will be Thine always.

I may bound over the billows of many lives, forlorn beneath the skies of 
loneliness, but I will be Thine always.

The  world may leave Thee, while engrossed with Thy playthings, but I will  be 
Thine always. Thou mayest take everything away that Thou gavest me,  but I will 
be Thine always.

Death, disease, and trials may riddle  and rend me, and yet, while the embers of 
memory shall flicker, look  into my dying eyes and they will mutely say, "I will 
be Thine always."

My  voice may become feeble, fail and forsake me, and yet, with the silent,  
bursting voice of my soul, I will whisper to Thee, "I am Thine always!"

The above song made and makes good all the physical, mental and emotional 
torture I experienced the last 33 years, then when I first heard it...

From: Duane Carpenter <>
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:58:49 AM
Subject: theos-talk James and Martin

Thank you James for your insights.
If someone can open our minds we can then  do the rest ourselves.
The REAL truth as Martin pointed out with the Buddha quote is here in our own 
self  realization and not merely books or sacred passages no matter how 
beautiful or inspiring.

Thanks Martin I  agree with everything you said.
Rumi has a great saying that goes "we can never know the truth until we as 
individual  persons  are first broken"
or "The wailing of broken hearts is the doorway to God" This is the radical 
revolution that needs to be understood and initiated by each person and not all 
this nit picking over semantics or who is the REAL teacher.

In the Muslim faith their is the lesser Jihad in which we beat back aggressive 
foes who are invading our physical space and the greater Jihad where each person 

must come to destroy all that prevents the true spirit of Love from pouring into 

their hearts.
Blessings Duane

From: jamesbergh <>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 3:22:06 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?

Martin, just joined your site.
Besides the words on cooperation, I found your thoughts on Anarchy of Aquarius 
of value.
In searching on unmattavat, I found Aurobindo's thoughts, 
in The Synthesis of Yoga,
"The outer being lives in a God-possessed frenzy careless of itself and the 
world, unmattavat, or with an entire disregard, whether of conventions or 
proprieties of fitting human action or of harmony and rhythms of a greater 
Truth. It acts as the unbound vital being, pisacavat, the divine maniac or else 
the divine demonic."

At 64, and a child of the 60's while living in San Francisco, I have never been 
one for conventions of the times. I would say that Ramakrishna was one of the 
unmattavats. At present I am delving into the Upanishads. I can say that AAB, 
opened my mind, when I became stagnated.

I have been reading Swami Ranganathananda, who holds that science is a friend of 

wisdom, and his thoughts on what is modern. In The Message of the Upanishads, he 

writes (from talks),
"But there is another word meaning, a more profound meaning, to this word 
(modern).In this second meaning the modern man is he who is nourished on the 
spirit of science, who is alert of mind and on track of truth, who has the 
capacity to question,'to seek, ask,and knock' as Jesus expresses it it. That man 

is modern who is inquisitive, who has a passion for truth and the power of 
rational investigation, who never takes things for granted but always strives to 

get at the heart of things; his heart constantly asks, 'Whats next? Whats 
next?'. For in the Upanishads too there is this atmosphere of alertness, this 
mood of constant seeking, a deep passion for truth, and a constant desire to 
forge ahead and not take things for granted in a complacent spirit. It is here 
that you find the close kinship between the Upanishads and the modern spirit."

All said, down with stagnation,

--- In, Martin <Mvandertak@...> wrote:

> What we need to do only is to stop fighting among eachother who is right or 
> wrong but cooperate and be open minded and in doing so be open to others as 
> well, without expelling people but appeal to their own judgement in clearly 
> saying where they go or went wrong. 

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