Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven Strategy
Aug 14, 2010 11:21 PM
by Cass Silva
What I am saying is that a true seeker of wisdom does not need to rely on a
program. As I said, programs are for administrators and those that are
interested in the practicalities. Universal Brotherhood is aÂgiven if one is on
the spiritual path,Âthat it has to be addressed as a prerequisite for membership
suggests one is not ready.
>Cass
>
>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@Tigjl4M_Pt9hl7UzXd6H1hRJHLqfE0APPGgToI0rmOM8wir1ICbbjQoUSgC9uUDw6dpq47Ypsw-E7VqikkhKWgb34PE.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 6:08:01 PM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>Strategy
>
>Â
>Dear Cass
>
>My views are:
>
>I find your answer to be a very eloquent manner of avoiding to answer the
>questions I forwarded in my previous email.
>But thanks for answering.
>
>So you are saying that the Original Programe of of The Theosophical Society in
>1875-1891 are unimportant?
>And that we better follow the present day formulation on Theos-talk or that we
>better refuse to care at all and run around like headless villains?
>
>Theos-talk states on its frontpage the following and nothing else as far as I
>know:
>"Description
>Discussion on topics regarding Theosophy (or theosophy) and its realization in
>the modern world. A forum completely independent of control by established
>theosophical organizations."
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/
>
>- - -
>If you do not want the Original Programe of of The Theosophical Society in
>1875-1891 what do you then want? -
>
>Do you want Mind Control or fanatism and political entanglement all over - or a
>nasty attempt of Christianizing the visdoms teachings og all ages - and
>similarily of the Original Programe of of The Theosophical Society in 1875-1891?
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cass Silva
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:12 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>Strategy
>
>Without studying this in depth, my first opinion is that there were as many
>changes made to the original program as there were changes to the bible. The
>then TS had two distinct paths, one, section, the exoteric and the other, headed
>
>by HPB was the esoteric section.
>>
>>>From what I can gather those that were not included in the esoteric have been
>>disgruntled since its inauguration and have been vying for supremecy ever
>>since. Unfortunately it seems that with the passing of HPB there was no esoteric
>>
>>leader to take her place, hence the void was filled by members of the exoteric
>>section, who were neither disciples nor chelas, but to ensure their validity
>>invoked the claim of being in touch with the Masters, even though the masters
>>made it clear that with the passing of HPB, all physical contact would end.
>>
>>However, HPB fulfilled her mission, that she left Isis and The Secret Doctrine
>>was not only written for exoteric followers but also to those intuit esoterics,
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>>which she clearly stated, would require seeing the trees through the forest.
>>
>>One cannot claim to be a disciple or chela without the knowledge of the laws of
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>>nature and their mastery. Simple clairvoyance does not cut it, but merely
>>exposes a small corner. That Leadbeater and Besant got it totally wrong in
>>their treatise on the atomic nature of matter, proves that they were not true
>>esotericists but administrators, changing the original program to suit their own
>>
>>belief systems of what they believed Theosophy to be. They may have done a
>>reasonable job explaining the exoteric but fell well short when it came to the
>>esoteric.
>>
>>
>>Cass
>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@Tigjl4M_Pt9hl7UzXd6H1hRJHLqfE0APPGgToI0rmOM8wir1ICbbjQoUSgC9uUDw6dpq47Ypsw-E7VqikkhKWgb34PE.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 2:29:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>Strategy
>>
>>
>>Dear Cass and friends
>>
>>My views are:
>>
>>So you are am member here, and do not know what it all originally was about?
>>How saddening.
>>
>>Allright it might be a good idea to forward the Original Programe as it was
>>given in 1875-1891 - when its main co-founder lived.
>>
>>In the below *** A ***, *** B *** and *** C *** must be views as beloning to the
>>
>>Original Programe of The Theosophical Society in 1875-1891. The primary text
>>must be *** B *** since it was written latest and written when the The
>>Theosophical Society according to the main founder H. P. Blavatsky - already had
>>
>>deteriorated. Others will claim that *** A *** is the primary one. *** C ***
>>must be considered to be of secondary importance and is merely posted here so
>>the readers more easily can pitcture the changes since 1891 until 1905 and later
>>
>>until today - as given in *** D *** and *** E ***.
>>
>>*** A ***
>>The Original Programe of the Theosophical Society was given here
>>(I recommend that one read it carefully and if in need consult various
>>references):
>>ORIGINAL PROGRAME MANUSCRIPT - 1886 (BCW, Vol. VII, p. 145)
>>http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/yxxxx_019.htm
>>
>>*** B ***
>>Preamble of the Theosophical Society - october 1875
>>http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm#Preamble%20of%20the%20T.S.
>>
>>
>>
>>*** C ***
>>CONSTITUTION AND RULES
>>OF
>>THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
>>As Revised in Session of the General Council,
>>all the Section being represented,
>>at Adyar, December 27, 1890.
>>
>>The Theosophist - January 1891
>>http://www.global-theosophy.net/ts_constitution_rules.php
>>
>>*** D ***
>>Full Text Of The International Rules And Regulations
>>
>>MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION, ETC.
>>MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION AND RULES AND REGULATIONS
>>1997 as amended 2005, 2006
>>
>>CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION
>>NO. 2 of 1905
>>http://joomla.theosophyforward.com/2009/06/full-text-of-the-international-rules-and-regulations-memorandum-of-association/
>>
>>
>>---- or ----
>>http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/rules.htm
>>
>>*** E ***
>>THE BYLAWS OF
>>THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
>>IN AMERICA
>>Revised as authorized by Referendum, June 2010
>>http://www.theosophical.org/local_groups/2010_%20Bylaws.pdf
>>
>>The first link *** A *** - must necessarily be the basis - for all work which
>>dare to use the name the Theosophical Society or to claim its background derives
>>
>>from the Theosophical Society - or even H. P. Blavatsky. If anyone disagree on
>>this let us know why.
>>
>>The second link *** B *** show how the original attempt was formulated. And by
>>comparing *** B *** with *** A *** one will discover a few differences nut not
>>many. I follow *** B *** as the primary one - assisted by *** A *** and *** C
>>***. Today they will of course have to be reformulated.
>>
>>The third link is the CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY as they
>>
>>were when H. P. Blavatsky still lived, and shortly before her - official -
>>physical departure from this planet. After she died, various paragraphs and
>>formulations of aims and limitations have been changed or even deleted in the
>>Constitution and Rules of The Theosophical Society. And no clairification has
>>been given as to why such changes - was necessary - and whether they were in
>>agreement with the Original Programes intentions and altruism as such. By
>>comparing *** A ***, *** B *** and *** C *** with *** D *** one will be able to
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>>spot various very interesting differences. One of them is that the paragraph
>>(Article XIV) on political involvement has been deleted or changed as shown in
>>*** E *** (by using the word "substantial").
>>
>>- - -
>>Now this forums are officially to newcomers only giving the following input as
>>its aims so far:
>>"Description
>>Discussion on topics regarding Theosophy (or theosophy) and its realization in
>>the modern world. A forum completely independent of control by established
>>theosophical organizations."
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/
>>
>>Not this can only be said to be an inadequate formulation, if one should have
>>the Original Programe of the Theosophical Society (1875-1891) in mind.
>>
>>
>>The questions which are still lingering are therefore:
>>Should it be in accordance with the Original Programe of the Theosophical
>>Society as it was given by HPB and others in 1875-1891? Or should it deviate
>>from it, and if so why and in what manner?
>>
>>If the moderators of the forum refuse to answer on these question, I will
>>conclude that silence is the answer - and its impact will follow the -
>>silencers!
>>
>>- - -
>>The same questions are also offered to any group calling it self theosophical or
>>
>>claims to derive its teachings from The Theosophical Society and perhaps even H.
>>
>>P. Blavatsky.
>>
>>Those I will ask:
>>Are your organisation in accordance with the Original Programe of the
>>Theosophical Society as it was given by HPB and others in 1875-1891? Or is it
>>deviating from it, and if so why and in what manner?
>>
>>If the members of such organisations - openly - refuse to answer on these
>>question, I will conclude that silence is the answer - and its impact will
>>follow the - silencers!
>>
>>- - -
>>I am waiting for the answers...or the silence.
>>
>>M. Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Cass Silva
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:48 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>Strategy
>>
>>I don't even know what the original programme was!
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@Tigjl4M_Pt9hl7UzXd6H1hRJHLqfE0APPGgToI0rmOM8wir1ICbbjQoUSgC9uUDw6dpq47Ypsw-E7VqikkhKWgb34PE.yahoo.invalid>
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Thu, 12 August, 2010 4:34:44 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>Strategy
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Cass and friends
>>>
>>>My views are:
>>>
>>>I do not think I have expressed any issue with the moderators of this forum
>>>except - asking the question about whether it seeks to be governed by the
>>>Original Programe as it was given by HPB and others in 1875-1891 - and whether
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>
>>>they seek to deviate from it - and if so in what manner, and why?
>>>
>>>If you are seeking to involve the forum and the Original Programe with politics
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>>>- please state your reasons why this can be said to be in accordance with the
>>>Original Programe as it was given in 1875-1891 by HPB and others?
>>>
>>>M. Sufilight
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Cass Silva
>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:53 AM
>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>Strategy
>>>
>>>Morten,
>>>
>>>I am referring to the politics of global inhumanity to man. That you and others
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>>
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>>>have issue with the administrators, particularly on content, censorship and/or
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>>>advocacy of individual past theosophists continues to ignite the politics which
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>>
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>>>you say should not be part of the theosophical agenda.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can you answer what your real core issue is? What is your agenda? If TS Adyar
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>
>>>>opposes your personal principles, you should know, that any attempt to bring it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>into line with your thinking is futile. One cannot change a hyena into a
>>>>leopard. To expect those that see value in the teachings of Besant, Leadbeater,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bailey, Krishnamurti to abandon them because they do not adhere to Blavatsky's
>>
>>
>>
>>>>teachings is naive. Theosophy, like it or not, built upon the acceptance of
>>>>their works, rightly or wrongly, even with its christian bent, and to now expect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>an admission of error in teaching would for them mean to admit the infallibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>of theosophy and its administrators. To place Blavatsky as the one and only
>>>>true advocate of Theosophy would require gargantuan moral courage to do so,
>>>>and my personal belief is that there are no gargantuan personalities with this
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>>
>>
>>>>strength of character, nor is there any desire to change the status quo.
>>>>
>>>>I am hoping that Theos Talk was not established as the David to overthrow the
>
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>>>>Goliath Theosophy but as a forum for anyone interested in discussing the
>>>>teachings of Blavatsky, Besant, Leadbeater, Krishnamurti, Bailey, etc etc, pro
>>
>>
>>
>>>>or against. It is the individual that must decide which teacher they wish to
>>>>follow. Yes, it irks me, that Blavatsky has been given secondary status at
>>>>Adyar, but she herself, walked away, without any attempt to discredit those she
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>left behind. We have the same choice. That Adyar is the flagship for
>>>>Theosophy but not for Blavatsky is not our concern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Blavatsky stated that all theosophists should rid themselves of its priests can
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>>>
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>>>>only be accomplished by individuals that see priests in the belfry. If they do
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>>
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>>>>not, then kicking the horse will only result in the kicker living with a
>>>>very sore leg!
>>>>
>>>>Cass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@Tigjl4M_Pt9hl7UzXd6H1hRJHLqfE0APPGgToI0rmOM8wir1ICbbjQoUSgC9uUDw6dpq47Ypsw-E7VqikkhKWgb34PE.yahoo.invalid>
>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Wed, 11 August, 2010 2:40:55 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>>Strategy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ordinary lawmaking politics was as you know not a part of the Original Programe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>in the TS in 1875-1891.
>>>>Even later I believe Jinarjadasa had to stop political articles in the
>>>>theosophical Magazine. But about that time, Annie Besant and others had already
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>begun to get the TS hopelessly entangled with the political party the Indian
>>>>National Congress - virtually a deathblow to the theopshical doctrines and the
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>>
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>>>>frame of the Original Programe given in 1875-1891 in the Constitution and
>>>Rules.
>>>>
>>>>So I will have to ask you, why you insist on putting emphasis on lies and decit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>- instead of seeking to end the strifes of the world religions - and - the study
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>of the INNER man as the original programe aimed at?
>>>>Altruism is central to the original programe of the TS, should this now be
>>>>exchanged with something else - and the original TS be called a political
>>>>organisation?
>>>>
>>>>M. Sufilight
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Cass Silva
>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:21 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>>Strategy
>>>>
>>>>Hi Morten,
>>>>I'm over all the internal politics - but I believe we should be addressing
>>>>global politics from a TS perspective.
>>>>
>>>>Cass
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@Tigjl4M_Pt9hl7UzXd6H1hRJHLqfE0APPGgToI0rmOM8wir1ICbbjQoUSgC9uUDw6dpq47Ypsw-E7VqikkhKWgb34PE.yahoo.invalid>
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Tue, 10 August, 2010 3:46:01 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>>>Strategy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Are theosophists of late being concerned with politics?
>>>>>In the old days the Original Programe was against it. Why this deviation today
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>year 2010?
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Govert Schuller
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>>>Strategy
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear John,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the Schuman/Bezemov material is very revealing. His interview with Edward
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Griffin is also available on youtube and google videos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact that he worked as a KGB agent in India might be of interest to
>>>>>Theosophists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916#
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_xdBnFPqOI&feature=PlayList&p=4CDAB99FAB5980BA&index=0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, Griffin started recently Project Red Pill:
>>>>>http://www.realityzone.com/prp.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Govert
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Augoeides-222@NmBL1H6MDrSvgBb1YyNu-4SSVgxODAuCRdSn9HrtU2Cya1nCZU54CLNlOgETOm7bBKEI07icOrvOL5PaOsStxEtT7g.yahoo.invalid
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven
>>>>>Strategy
>>>>>
>>>>>Govert,
>>>>>Thanks much for the important posts from you and your links to your articles. I
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>have bookmarked alomost every single link in them and will be reading for
>>>>>months! I especially liked the New Zealand Researcher Interview about the
>>>>>history of the Chicago Communists party and ilk, I was born and raised there (on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>the South side) so i can really relate to it all. I did notice that he made no
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>>>>>mention of that mentor Saul David Lewinsky and the book "Rule for Radicals- A
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>>>>>Pragmatic Primary for Practical Radicals". Some of the things mentioned have
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>>>>>taken place and become fact. Also I skimmed the titles about the G20 and a new
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>>>
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>>>>>Intl. Currency, the Admin. has in it's new Statute created a new Dept. named the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Office of the Currency" which will monitor and regulate the new social order
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>>>>>"Transformation. Also mention was made of certain "code words" that have been
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>>>>>used. The acceptance speech was made and over his shoulder was the Greek "Temple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>of Apollo" a serect display especially created for the "Apollo Alliance"
>>>>>benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anatoliy Galitsyn isn't the only worthy former KGB there is another thta has
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>>>>>extremely important instructive Video's online "Thomas Schumann" alias "Yuri
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>>>>>Bezmenov" an expatriate has 10 video's online that instruct about the cardinal
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>>>>>Stages and Elements used for the conquest and revoluntionary objectives. Google
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>>>>>or Yahoo video search "Thomas Schuman - "Secrets of Communism" and in watching
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>>>>>relate to the current actions of the now and the last several decades.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In Schuman's videos describe Four Critical Stages of Revoluntrionary Change that
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>>>>>are required to successfully Communize a Nation:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thomas Schumann KGB Propaganda Expert described four stages that must be
>>>>>accomplished
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stages of Subversion:
>>>>>
>>>>>1.Demoralization 15-25 years maturation period
>>>>>2.Destabilization
>>>>>3.Crisis
>>>>>4. Normalization( the 1948 Czech process)
>>>>>
>>>>>A. The "Elements " utilized to progress the goal are:
>>>>>
>>>>>Activism using:
>>>>>1. Religion - The Christian - Marxist Projectas one example
>>>>>2.Education
>>>>>3. Social Life
>>>>>4.Power Structure
>>>>>5. Labor Relations - Unions
>>>>>6.Law and Order
>>>>>
>>>>>Yuri Bezmenov -
>>>>>>>>http://www.4shared.com/file/79865078/dbf057bs/World_Thought_Police_Yuri_Bezmenov.html<<<
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Muckity.org<<< is a fantastic tool for discovering interactive relational
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>>>>>>>>mapping between persons:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>2008 Obama Presidential Campaign
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/2008-Barack-Obama-presidential-campaign/5004664.muckety<<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>@008 & 2004 Senate Campaigns
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/Query?name=Obama+Campaign&prev=Obama+Campaign&SearchResult=5029144&SearchResult=5004664&graph=MucketyMap<<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>George Soros
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/George-Soros/4166.muckety<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>The Truth about George Soros
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=the+truth+about+george+soros&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=<<<
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----s ,emtion have taken place and become From: "Govert
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Schuller" <schuller@7aY5O2TEX3vpOxFaNudLha7K0rLTy8_9G_inqXgAL2ld6KTDpSe7V695pHe_xsYvfiAKxXsA-_MUtHJLBuM.yahoo.invalid>
>>>>>
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:13:29 AM
>>>>>Subject: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven Strategy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear John,
>>>>>
>>>>>Very glad to see a fellow referring to the Golytsin thesis. I always thought it
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>>>>
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>>>>>was a most reasonable and fruitfull framework to evaluate world politics and
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>>>>>economics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It basically states that the Russians and Chinese have been strategically linked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>since the Chinese communist takeover in 1949 and have been deceiving the West
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>>>>>ever since. Glasnost, Perestroika and the liberalization of East Europe were
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>>>>>just theatrics in service of a larger plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But this deception could only have been pulled off by a fifth column in the West
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>of fellow travellers, hidden agents and especially think tanks like the Council
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>on Foreign Relations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Within this framework it also makes sense to evaluate Obama's policies as
>>>>>implementing the so-called Cloward-Piven Strategy of intensifying crises to
>>>>>justify the change of society into a more socialist mold.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>As I've stated before, all those in the Krishnamurti, Theosophical and Ascended
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>Master movements should take this very serious.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But, don't take my word and do your homework. I have assembled throughout the
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>>>>>years relevant articles and sources and introduced them with my own
>>>>>understanding of the many complex issues involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Abiding Communist Threat in its Open and Hidden Manifestations
>>>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/commiethreat.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>The Abiding Threat: The Ongoing Validity of the Angleton-Golytsin Thesis
>>>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/AbidingThreat2009.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Sliding into VGGD (Very Great Global Depression)
>>>>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/Economy/SlidingIntoVGGD.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Augoeides-222@NmBL1H6MDrSvgBb1YyNu-4SSVgxODAuCRdSn9HrtU2Cya1nCZU54CLNlOgETOm7bBKEI07icOrvOL5PaOsStxEtT7g.yahoo.invalid
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:17 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck,
>>>>>Well, there are many views about why things happen. Nelson Mandela was a
>>>>>communist revoluntionary who organized and promoted the overthrow of the
>>>>>establishment
>>>>>
>>>>>government and was jailed for it, later, due to activism he won his release and
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>got a Nobel "Peace" Prize. Ghandi was primarily successful in terms of the
>>>>>British due the the fact that they possessed integrity, character, and strong
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>>>>>moral and ethical tenets which disarmed them from using the tactics that Jengis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Khan applied , Stalin applied, Mao applied or Hitler applied. In some case
>>>>>virtue is a deficit that insures defeat when facing an unprincipled enemy. As
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>>>>>for good old Gorby, it ain't what is seemed to be. Why in the world did the US
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>>>
>>>
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>>>>>Gov. host good old Gorby and provide free offices at the Military base named the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Presidio here in California? He created his American Fondation that hooked up
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>with a multitude of activists groups here. Read "New Lies for Old" and "The
>>>>>Peretroika Deception" by Anatoliy Galitsyn, former KBG and Head of soviet
>>>>>Espionage for an eye opener on the real game.Remeber that Newsweek issue with
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>the cover that proclaimed "We are All Socialists Now!"??? Lol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>---- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "charles cosimano" < Drpsionic@skr-wBsdzgo8Aujiu48fd7AAWAUOWpYsxN9G4YDJwdXqBuLo9tPj0aM2tSBlikcO5q8M1aa1nErf.yahoo.invalid >
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 5:55:06 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>>>
>>>>>But those were actually the result of weakness on the part of the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>The South Africans did not kill Nelson Mandela out of hand. The British did not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>simply shoot Ghandi. And the Berlin Wall fell because the Soviet Empire could
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>not survive and Gorbachev lost his nerve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck the Heretic
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@dI9JDt2V4L4eNPMBe_DBrfHWtz13miZtC05u5-0wHWCnkLGaKAZSJz1r8Av6HCgIGdvno5-VeBclGArYau_7jg.yahoo.invalid >
>>>>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:39 am
>>>>>Subject: theos-talk Re: Action needed
>>>>>
>>>>>"Never" is a long time. Many extraordinary and inconceivable changes have
>>>>>occurred just in our lifetime.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The ending of apartheid in South Africa; bringing down the Berlin wall; the
>>>>>British leaving India.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>For whatever the impetus, these were monumental changes, thought impossible up
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>until the time they occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And in any event, what's the alternative? Do nothing, say nothing?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think not, but granted the action must be as wise as we can determine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Never surrender to tyrany...never.
>>>>>
>>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Drpsionic@... wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they still may never give a damn. How do you get past the mute button?
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck the Heretic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _www.charlescosimano.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:22:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>> nhcareyta@... writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) , Drpsionic@ wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Chuck the Heretic
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > www.charlescosimano.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>> > nhcareyta@ writes:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dear John, Erica and All
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thank you for your responses and actions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now being
>>>>>> aired
>>>>>> > throughout the broader community.
>>>>>> > Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural
>>>>>> > differences to the attention of powerful western forces through
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> > outrage and protest.
>>>>>> > Already there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive
>
>
>>>>>> > cultural and religious practices. From female circumcision to the
>>>>>> wearing of
>>>>>> > the burka in all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to
>>>>>> stonings,
>>>>>> > all these matters are now being discussed internationally with many
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> > rights groups increasing the task of community education and action.
>>>>>> > Community act_ion equates to votes and it will eventually take a
>>>>>> foolhardy
>>>>>> > western politician to ignore the voices of their local constituents.
>>>>>> > The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant
>>>>>> regimes.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Of course politics and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are
>>>>>> > very early steps, but with the use of the internet and its opportunities
>
>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > act I can see the early signs of a broad based, international shift in
>>>>>> > consciousness, such as we have never seen before.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Kind regards
>>>>>> > Nigel
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --- In
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , Augoeides-222@ wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Nigel,
>>>>>> > > There are even video's of stoning online on Google and Yahoo video's.
>>>>>> > There have been numerous articles in the last few years about retrograde
>
>
>>>>>> 6th
>>>>>> > century abominable punishments according the the conventions of Sharia
>>>>>> Law
>>>>>> > of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > they stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic
>>>>>> > fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others
>>>>>> that show
>>>>>> > poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly held by
>>>>>> > several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition and the
>>>>>> head
>>>>>> > proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body. I posted a few
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> > 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a while back. I find these
>>>>>> > idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices abhorrent, abominable
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > psychotic abberation in this modern world of today. The Taliban are
>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>> > example of terrorist suppressive_ degenerate religionism and the Wa habi
>
>
>>>>>> of_
>>>>>> > Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> > to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice
>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>> > itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion" and
>>>>>> > "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in History as
>>>>>> a social
>>>>>> > passive technique long established and practiced. A best present time is
>
>
>>>>>> > China and Tibet where China is actively practising this historic method
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> > a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a dreadful
>>>>>> reality
>>>>>> > that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and beingness, beware
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> > friends of greeks bearing gifts.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > John
>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > > From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@>
>>>>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _
>>>>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM
>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Dear Nigel,
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and
>>>>>> > Somalia.
>>>>>> > > From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> > not the
>>>>>> > > first. I remember some years ago a similar case in Somalia, her name
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> > Aisho
>>>>>> > > ...dont remember the surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a
>>>>>> > son and
>>>>>> > > a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> > is
>>>>>> > > also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same
>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Erica
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>>>> > > From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@ >
>>>>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _
>>>>>> > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 5:21:19 PM
>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Dear Erica
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > In spite of the considerable political considerations you mention, all
>
>
>>>>>> > of which
>>>>>> > > are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and
>>>>>> political
>>>>>> > changes
>>>>>> > > over recent times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> > similar
>>>>>> > > situations, so all may not be lost.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > In any event, if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So
>>>>>> > thank you
>>>>>> > > for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does
>
>
>>>>>> > the same
>>>>>> > > a snowball reaction may occur.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Kind regards
>>>>>> > > Nigel
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Dear Nigel,
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the
>>>>>> > matter is in
>>>>>> > > >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country
>
>
>>>>>> > or
>>>>>> > > >another.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > The United Nations could also interfere if they want. Such kind of
>>>>>> law
>>>>>> > should
>>>>>> > > >be completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to
>
>
>>>>>> > death,
>>>>>> > > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > If there is not a strong international interference, I consider
>>>>>> almost
>>>>>> > > >impossible a diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If
>>>>>> Iran
>>>>>> > opens one
>>>>>> > > >exception, eventually they would need to change their law. And when
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> > has to
>>>>>> > > >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > cats".
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a diplomatic
>>>>>> > solution, are
>>>>>> > > >vain in my opinion. In my opinion all the internati_onal community
>>>>>> > should raise
>>>>>> > > >their voice and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be
>>>>>> > abolished.
>>>>>> > > >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money
>>>>>> > involved.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the military
>>>>>> > regime or
>>>>>> > > >Burma. Nothing was done to help the people of Burma or to release
>>>>>> her,
>>>>>> > except
>>>>>> > > >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > is still
>>>>>> > > >alive.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian
>>>>>> > Section I
>>>>>> > > >know.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Erica
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ ,
>
>
>>>>>> "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Dear Erica
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are some
>>>>>> > wealthy
>>>>>> > > >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> > > >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > That would surely be Theosophy in action.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Regards
>>>>>> > > > > Nigel
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ ,
>
>
>>>>>> "Erica L. Georgiades"
>>>>>> > <eletzerich@>
>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian
>>>>>> > President,
>>>>>> > > >already
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her and give her
>>>>>> > asylum in
>>>>>> > > >Brazil.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > The request of the President of Brazil was denied.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Erica
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > ________________________________
>>>>>> > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@>
>>>>>> > > > > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _
>>>>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ (
>>>>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) )
>>>>>> > > > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM
>>>>>> > > > > > Subject: theos-talk Action needed
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Dear All
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring
>>>>>> > additional
>>>>>> > > > > > pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous
>>>>>> > issue?
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > "Dear Friends,
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death by stoning,
>
>
>>>>>> > but within
>>>>>> > > >days
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil
>>>>>> > and Turkey,
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate below to fund an
>>>>>> > emergency
>>>>>> > > >ad
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the
>>>>>> > next few
>>>>>> > > >days,
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and
>>>>>> > Turkey.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > President Lula and Prime Minister Erdoğan are powerful
>>>>>> allies
>>>>>> > and
>>>>>> > > >mediators
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> > condemned
>>>>>> > > >the
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic
>>>>>> > forces and
>>>>>> > > > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign in influential
>>>>>> > newspapers in
>>>>>> > > >Turkey
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and justice.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> > ads will
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political
>>>>>> circles
>>>>>> > and
>>>>>> > > >directly
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdoğan's leadership and moral
>>>>>> > authority. If
>>>>>> > > >5,000 of
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72 hours, we'll make a
>
>
>>>>>> > powerful
>>>>>> > > > > > statement before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> > click
>>>>>> > > >here to
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > chip in:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > _> _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was
>>>>>> > sentenced to
>>>>>> > > >death
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men --
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> > after her
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in
>
>
>>>>>> > Iran, and
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > > > despite her not being able to speak the language of her trial.
>>>>>> Her
>>>>>> > two
>>>>>> > > >children
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > launched a campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide
>>>>>> > uproar,
>>>>>> > > > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the
>>>>>> > Iranian
>>>>>> > > > > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence
>>>>>> stands.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since the Sakineh case gained
>>>>>> > attention --
>>>>>> > > >the
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for speaking out
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > has
>>>>>> > > >issued an
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into
>>>>>> > hiding and
>>>>>> > > >his
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > family-members have been rounded-up.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > But Lula and Erdoğan have great respect in Iran and can
>>>>>> > influence the
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he would not
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> > involved
>>>>>> > > >in
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the
>>>>>> massive
>>>>>> > online
>>>>>> > > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and
>>>>>> > prompting
>>>>>> > > >Iranian
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly
>>>>>> resolved.
>>>>>> > We know
>>>>>> > > >Lula
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite
>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>> > > >opposition,
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > to protect
>>>>>> > > >the
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have signed the
>>>>>> > petition to
>>>>>> > > >Save
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to
>>>>>> > persu_ade Lula
>>>>>> > > >and
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Erdoğan to act -- and it may be our last chance to save
>>>>>> > Sakineh. Let's
>>>>>> > > >each
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure they hear our call to
>>>>>> > leadership:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) _)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > _
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > its
>>>>>> > > >brutal,
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a
>>>>>> > powerful
>>>>>> > > > > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> > one
>>>>>> > > >person, we
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > stand up for everyone's right to justice.
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> > nightmare
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached
>>>>>> > dead-ends, we
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > answer
>>>>>> > > >their
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > call, and get Erdoğan and Lula to do the same:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _)
>>>>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ )
>>>>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ (
>>>>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl ) _)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > _
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > With hope and determination,
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > SOURCES:
>>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's
>>>>>> > President
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