Theos-Talk Archives (October 2009 Message tt00147)

"Truth is a pathless land" means everybody cannot follow a unique and universal path to reach the truth, but each of us has to follow a unique path for each person. Krishnamurti liberated the mind of the people who think that people just need to follow him/a master to reach the truth, but each one has to find the truth/a path for her/himself.
Theosophical society offers the hints / the crutchs for us to learn how to walk, but we have to discard the crutches some day in order to walk by ourself, We have to become the path to reach the truth (The Voice of Silence)
Krishnamurty liberated the mind of people and set them free to seek for the truth. Of course, we can find in the TS whatever that fits our level at the moment. The crutches we get from the society have much value in my eyes.

Do Thi Thuan

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--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:


From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Candles and the Sun
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 7:16 AM


  



Dear MKR

My views are:

The following are just my views. I write them doing my best to follow the cause which was continued and begun by H. P. Blavatsky.

I will have to say that your e-mails content looks more like a commercial for a fanatical belief in Krishnamurti and a Messiah-craze, than anything else. 

MKR wrote:
"From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
be so to this day."

I will certainly say, that this depends on who you are talking about and how you define the term "the theosophical society".

Can we not agree upon, that It is NOT a question about the number of listners, but instead important WHO participates, and when, and what quality the teaching delievered has? How can a Messiah-craze ever dispel fanatism?

MKR wrote:
"He came up with a very simple and direct
statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect."

And we say: Rubbish and nonsense.
All the wisdom teachings are aimed at transformation of the individual, and saying that such a transformation is non-existent is according to plain logic a clear lie. In fact such a statement has a clear tendency to distort the fact forwarded by H. P. blavatsky that theosophy IS religion and not A religion.

So I find it fair to say that Krishnamurti denied the theosophical teachings, with its Chelaship teachings - unless he himself was the Master to be listened to. Neither Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc. etc. followed such a doctrine.
And you, MKR, seem also to deny the theosophical teachings true value, and seek to promote a Messiah-craze.

I will have to reject such a mail as theosophical in nature.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MKR 
To: theos-talk 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: Theos-World Candles and the Sun

Candles and the Sun

For some of us interested in the history of the theosophical society and
some of the players, today offers some interesting and striking contrasts
when you look at the past and present.

Krishnaji

>From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
be so to this day. Even when he visited San Antonio years ago, 2,500 people
showed up for his lecture and in the last 30 years I have never seen even
1/10th show up for any theosophical leader, lecturer, scholar, elder,
clairvoyant, etc. This fact cannot be ignored.

Let us look at the situation when in 1929 he came up with his famous Truth
is a Pathless Land statement. He came up with a very simple and direct
statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect.

He personally delivered the statement to the audience. He did not issue a
press release or use surrogates to put out the statement. He did not waver
from it rest of his life. He was also subsequently filmed reading the
statement in 1930 and can be seen on Youtube today.

At the time he declared Truth is a Pathless Land statement, he was extremely
popular within and outside theosophical society. If he had given any inkling
of his desire to be President of TS, Annie Besant would have given up her
position and he would have been elected unopposed. But, what did he do? He
came up with his Truth is a Pathless Land statement and severed connection
with any organization. Let us look at him at that time.

He was a young man of 34 years of age. He had no formal education and did
not even have high school diploma. If he started looking for job, it would
have been very difficult without formal education or skills. For someone
with that background to come up with Truth is a Pathless Land statement and
cutting of any connection with any organization, with no marketable job
skills, it would have looked very foolish and suicidal. Obviously, one
person who did not think so was himself. Even Annie Besant was concerned
about his future and asked some a few well-known members of TS to leave TS
and take care of him.

The above shows simple daring decision made by him with no concern about the
security of the future. He did succeed and was talking about various topics
till he died in 1986. Where ever he lectured, there was a strong turnout and
even today, his books are popular world-wide. Foundations and Schools were
established world-wide and are doing excellent work.

CONTRASTING SITUATION NOW

Looking at the election of the President of Theosophical Society last year
is very interesting. The methodology and tactics used in trying to defeat
the sitting President was very sad indeed; not to mention the backdoor
attempt to seize the Presidency by secretly disenfranchising members
world-wide. No one came up with a daring new radical philosophical or
spiritual approach arresting the attention of theosophists; an approach
which would have had a large following of theosophists without any concern
about losing the money and property owned by the TS and International
organizational platform of TS. Contrasting this with the decision taken by
Krishnaji in 1929, everyone looks pitiful and the comparison of Candles and
the Sun is quite appropriate. I wonder if any of the player ever thought
about the comparison. If not, all those who meditate everyday for whatever
purpose, may benefit by meditating on it.

My 0.02.

MKR

There is no religion higher than truth

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