Theos-Talk Archives (October 2009 Message tt00148)

Looking at the decision of Krishnaji, a young man of 34 years of age, coming out with a radical stand and severing all ties to all organizations (and severing the access to funds and world-wide organizational platform, and the security these things offer) and going out into the future with no marketable skills or formal marketable academic accomplishments to make a living, is a very daring move and some would even consider a most ill advised decision from a worldly point of view. 

But, he was fully confident and totally convinced of his stand till the day he died; many inside and outside theosophy circles continued to attend his lectures, hear the audios and watch the videos of his lectures and discussions as well as read the books.

Whether one agrees with his philosophy or not is each individualâ??s own decision.

But the analogy of Candles and the Sun is still appropriate.

MKR
     

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Thuan Do <dothuan@...> wrote:
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> "Truth is a pathless land" means everybody cannot follow a unique and universal path to reach the truth, but each of us has to follow a unique path for each person. Krishnamurti liberated the mind of the�people who think that people just need to follow him/a master to reach the truth, but each one has to find the truth/a path for her/himself.
> Theosophical society offers the hints / the crutchs for us to learn how to walk, but we have to discard�the crutches some day in order to walk by ourself, We have to become the path to reach the truth (The Voice of Silence)
> Krishnamurty liberated the mind of people and set them free to seek for the truth. Of course, we can find in the TS whatever that fits our level at the moment. The crutches we get from the society have much value in my eyes.
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> --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
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> From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@...>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Candles and the Sun
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 7:16 AM
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> Dear MKR
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> My views are:
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> The following are just my views. I write them doing my best to follow the cause which was continued and begun by H. P. Blavatsky.
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> I will have to say that your e-mails content looks more like a commercial for a fanatical belief in Krishnamurti and a Messiah-craze, than anything else. 
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> MKR wrote:
> "From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
> competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
> be so to this day."
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> I will certainly say, that this depends on who you are talking about and how you define the term "the theosophical society".
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> Can we not agree upon, that It is NOT a question about the number of listners, but instead important WHO participates, and when, and what quality the teaching delievered has? How can a Messiah-craze ever dispel fanatism?
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> MKR wrote:
> "He came up with a very simple and direct
> statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
> approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect."
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> And we say: Rubbish and nonsense.
> All the wisdom teachings are aimed at transformation of the individual, and saying that such a transformation is non-existent is according to plain logic a clear lie. In fact such a statement has a clear tendency to distort the fact forwarded by H. P. blavatsky that theosophy IS religion and not A religion.
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> So I find it fair to say that Krishnamurti denied the theosophical teachings, with its Chelaship teachings - unless he himself was the Master to be listened to. Neither Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc. etc. followed such a doctrine.
> And you, MKR, seem also to deny the theosophical teachings true value, and seek to promote a Messiah-craze.
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> I will have to reject such a mail as theosophical in nature.
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> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: MKR 
> To: theos-talk 
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:02 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Candles and the Sun
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> Candles and the Sun
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> For some of us interested in the history of the theosophical society and
> some of the players, today offers some interesting and striking contrasts
> when you look at the past and present.
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> Krishnaji
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> From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
> competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
> be so to this day. Even when he visited San Antonio years ago, 2,500 people
> showed up for his lecture and in the last 30 years I have never seen even
> 1/10th show up for any theosophical leader, lecturer, scholar, elder,
> clairvoyant, etc. This fact cannot be ignored.
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> Let us look at the situation when in 1929 he came up with his famous Truth
> is a Pathless Land statement. He came up with a very simple and direct
> statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
> approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect.
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> He personally delivered the statement to the audience. He did not issue a
> press release or use surrogates to put out the statement. He did not waver
> from it rest of his life. He was also subsequently filmed reading the
> statement in 1930 and can be seen on Youtube today.
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> At the time he declared Truth is a Pathless Land statement, he was extremely
> popular within and outside theosophical society. If he had given any inkling
> of his desire to be President of TS, Annie Besant would have given up her
> position and he would have been elected unopposed. But, what did he do? He
> came up with his Truth is a Pathless Land statement and severed connection
> with any organization. Let us look at him at that time.
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> He was a young man of 34 years of age. He had no formal education and did
> not even have high school diploma. If he started looking for job, it would
> have been very difficult without formal education or skills. For someone
> with that background to come up with Truth is a Pathless Land statement and
> cutting of any connection with any organization, with no marketable job
> skills, it would have looked very foolish and suicidal. Obviously, one
> person who did not think so was himself. Even Annie Besant was concerned
> about his future and asked some a few well-known members of TS to leave TS
> and take care of him.
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> The above shows simple daring decision made by him with no concern about the
> security of the future. He did succeed and was talking about various topics
> till he died in 1986. Where ever he lectured, there was a strong turnout and
> even today, his books are popular world-wide. Foundations and Schools were
> established world-wide and are doing excellent work.
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> CONTRASTING SITUATION NOW
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> Looking at the election of the President of Theosophical Society last year
> is very interesting. The methodology and tactics used in trying to defeat
> the sitting President was very sad indeed; not to mention the backdoor
> attempt to seize the Presidency by secretly disenfranchising members
> world-wide. No one came up with a daring new radical philosophical or
> spiritual approach arresting the attention of theosophists; an approach
> which would have had a large following of theosophists without any concern
> about losing the money and property owned by the TS and International
> organizational platform of TS. Contrasting this with the decision taken by
> Krishnaji in 1929, everyone looks pitiful and the comparison of Candles and
> the Sun is quite appropriate. I wonder if any of the player ever thought
> about the comparison. If not, all those who meditate everyday for whatever
> purpose, may benefit by meditating on it.
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> My 0.02.
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> MKR
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