Theos-Talk Archives (October 2009 Message tt00145)

Dear MKR

My views are:

The following are just my views. I write them doing my best to follow the cause which was continued and begun by H. P. Blavatsky.

I will have to say that your e-mails content looks more like a commercial for a fanatical belief in Krishnamurti and a Messiah-craze, than anything else. 

MKR wrote:
"From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
be so to this day."

I will certainly say, that this depends on who you are talking about and how you define the term "the theosophical society".

Can we not agree upon, that It is NOT a question about the number of listners, but instead important WHO participates, and when, and what quality the teaching delievered has? How can a Messiah-craze ever dispel fanatism?

MKR wrote:
"He came up with a very simple and direct
statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect."

And we say: Rubbish and nonsense.
All the wisdom teachings are aimed at transformation of the individual, and saying that such a transformation is non-existent is according to plain logic a clear lie. In fact such a statement has a clear tendency to distort the fact forwarded by H. P. blavatsky that theosophy IS religion and not A religion.

So I find it fair to say that Krishnamurti denied the theosophical teachings, with its Chelaship teachings - unless he himself was the Master to be listened to. Neither Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc. etc. followed such a doctrine.
And you, MKR, seem also to deny the theosophical teachings true value, and seek to promote a Messiah-craze.

I will have to reject such a mail as theosophical in nature.



M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk 
  Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:02 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Candles and the Sun


    Candles and the Sun

  For some of us interested in the history of the theosophical society and
  some of the players, today offers some interesting and striking contrasts
  when you look at the past and present.

  Krishnaji

  From the moment Krishnaji started speaking, literally there was no
  competition from anyone from the theosophical society. This has continued to
  be so to this day. Even when he visited San Antonio years ago, 2,500 people
  showed up for his lecture and in the last 30 years I have never seen even
  1/10th show up for any theosophical leader, lecturer, scholar, elder,
  clairvoyant, etc. This fact cannot be ignored.

  Let us look at the situation when in 1929 he came up with his famous Truth
  is a Pathless Land statement. He came up with a very simple and direct
  statement - I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot
  approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect.

  He personally delivered the statement to the audience. He did not issue a
  press release or use surrogates to put out the statement. He did not waver
  from it rest of his life. He was also subsequently filmed reading the
  statement in 1930 and can be seen on Youtube today.

  At the time he declared Truth is a Pathless Land statement, he was extremely
  popular within and outside theosophical society. If he had given any inkling
  of his desire to be President of TS, Annie Besant would have given up her
  position and he would have been elected unopposed. But, what did he do? He
  came up with his Truth is a Pathless Land statement and severed connection
  with any organization. Let us look at him at that time.

  He was a young man of 34 years of age. He had no formal education and did
  not even have high school diploma. If he started looking for job, it would
  have been very difficult without formal education or skills. For someone
  with that background to come up with Truth is a Pathless Land statement and
  cutting of any connection with any organization, with no marketable job
  skills, it would have looked very foolish and suicidal. Obviously, one
  person who did not think so was himself. Even Annie Besant was concerned
  about his future and asked some a few well-known members of TS to leave TS
  and take care of him.

  The above shows simple daring decision made by him with no concern about the
  security of the future. He did succeed and was talking about various topics
  till he died in 1986. Where ever he lectured, there was a strong turnout and
  even today, his books are popular world-wide. Foundations and Schools were
  established world-wide and are doing excellent work.

  CONTRASTING SITUATION NOW

  Looking at the election of the President of Theosophical Society last year
  is very interesting. The methodology and tactics used in trying to defeat
  the sitting President was very sad indeed; not to mention the backdoor
  attempt to seize the Presidency by secretly disenfranchising members
  world-wide. No one came up with a daring new radical philosophical or
  spiritual approach arresting the attention of theosophists; an approach
  which would have had a large following of theosophists without any concern
  about losing the money and property owned by the TS and International
  organizational platform of TS. Contrasting this with the decision taken by
  Krishnaji in 1929, everyone looks pitiful and the comparison of Candles and
  the Sun is quite appropriate. I wonder if any of the player ever thought
  about the comparison. If not, all those who meditate everyday for whatever
  purpose, may benefit by meditating on it.

  My 0.02.

  MKR

  There is no religion higher than truth

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