Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00291)

Dear friends,

Have been travelling for some time, was not able to contribute to this blessed site. Have read many comments and  I am sorry to say, I think I will look for other communities. 

I am absolutely shocked by what Mr. MKR is speading, it is all words and no substance. Some weeks ago, before my travel,  I went through great pains trying to show him the other side of things, but whatever you try, whatever you do, he will constantly repeat (copy and paste) his utter nonsense. He lives by exploiting mistrust, accusations and nasty insinuations, accusing people not to be real people, whilst he is the only one who is very unreal.  He plays a very childish cat and mouse game, and is very destructive. He really believes he is very smart, but obviously he isn't, and seeing the reactions he is losing his audience very rapidly. 

I do sincerely apologize for the fact that this is rather personal, but someone has to blow the whistle here!!! Please, do not believe what I write: go to the archives and read his comments. This is not how theosophists or seekers for Truth ought to ommunicate with each other. I am considering to  write a letter of complaint to the site owner.

Now for as far as Mr. Nigel's contribution is concerned: I believe that you are really making good points. I wiah to add that there is a document circulating on the net, taking the Keith Fisher clarifications totally apart. I only had a brief look at it, but unfortunately I deleted it whilst travelling. Perhaps this should appear here.

Have also briefly read Mr. Anands discussion on another site and it was a delight to see how well and how interesting this all developed. Need some more time to look into it.

Mr. Rozman's site is very valuable for earnest seekers and investigators.

I am still on the road, so to speak, but in a few weeks I will see most of you probably on some other site. 

Roberta


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Mkr and all
> 
> Further to my last post please find the following addresses 
> which may be of interest.
> 
> 1) A website hosted by Anton Rozman comprising a compilation 
> of documents and statements entitled, "Pages dedicated to the documents, comments and views regarding the actual situation 
> in the Theosophical Society and regarding its future."
> http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/tsindex.htm
> 
> 2) Betty Bland's original "Draft Proposed Amendment."
> Note the words "Draft" and "Proposed" and that it is in accord with, "...the provisions of international rules 5 and 49." 
> <http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/RulesChanges_BlandLetter_E.htm>
> 
> 3) Your (Mkr) letter in response to Mrs Bland's draft proposal.
> You date this 24.9.2009. If this is correct, this is 3 months prior to the actual meeting to discuss the draft proposal.
> <http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/RulesChanges_MKRamadossLetter.htm>   
> 
> If something is proposed 3 three months prior to the meeting of deliberation, and is in accordance with the international rules, how is this such a heinous act?
> 
> Regards
> Nigel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> >
> > Let us get all the facts out. Nobody need to fear Truth and let the chips
> > fall where they may.
> > 
> > The ultra secret attempt to take over the appointment of the president by a
> > small group of general council members by disenfranchising all the members
> > worldwide is based on the facts everyone has seen. If anyone has any
> > information contradicting the facts, let them post it here for all of us get
> > educated.
> > 
> > MKR
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Preethi and all
> > >
> > > It now appears from your comments that there was much more to
> > > the attempt to offer another President for the Adyar Theosophical
> > > Society at the last international convention.
> > >
> > > And it is certainly becoming apparent that the so called "ultra secret
> > > attempt" idea, promulgated repeatedly by Doss (Mkr), may
> > > not have been so after all.
> > >
> > > Inferring from what you expose, and from what others have
> > > written, the procedure for presenting an alternative voting system
> > > for international president was both in accord with the rules and
> > > in the interests of fair play, but may have been politically manipulated by
> > > those in Adyar to appear differently?
> > >
> > > Do you have any direct knowledge of this process as it unfolded
> > > at Adyar?
> > >
> > > And can you cast any light as to why Mary Anderson nominated
> > > John Algeo for president, after having worked closely with Radha
> > > Burnier at Adyar for so many years?
> > >
> > > You are presenting us with a system that appears prima facie
> > > rotten to the core, exposing favouritism, nepotism and political
> > > machinations of the worst kind. I am sure genuine seekers after
> > > truth appreciate your candid expose and trust others will acknowledge your
> > > facts with impartiality rather than blind fanaticism.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "seeker_preethi" <seeker_preethi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mrs Burnier,
> > > >
> > > > Trust you have started to feel regret, remorse and all those
> > > growth-oriented feelings. Some things i forgot to mention in my last email
> > > [No subject] to you:
> > > >
> > > > Did you see the latest issue of Wake Up India? The contents page has a
> > > big blunder on it. Your name is mentioned for the Editorial Article while
> > > the article was written by Mr Surendra Narayan. Of course, the article has
> > > his name on it as does the 'About the Author' section, but how could your
> > > Editor, Dr Geetha Jaikumar miss such an obvious error? I now know why Dr A.
> > > Kannan thought that i had written irrelevant things in my initial emails to
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, do you know there are common definitions for everything you do?
> > > For example:
> > > >
> > > > Putting your name on someone else's hard work is called Plagiarism.
> > > Geetha Jaikumar and Subha Nilakanta have been putting their name on
> > > Preethi's hard work. Of course, you endorse their plagiarism, don't you?
> > > >
> > > > Threatening people with imprisonment so that they will not speak the
> > > truth and be dishonest is called Hooliganism or in Hindi, Goondagardi. That
> > > is the usual language spoken by Mr S. Harihara Raghavan, General Manager,
> > > TS.
> > > >
> > > > Using fear to rule people is called Dictatorship. That is the behaviour
> > > you follow with Federation Secretaries, General Secretaries worldwide.
> > > >
> > > > Following one rule for Pedro Oliveira, one for Uma Nilakanta, and one for
> > > everyone else is called favouritism.
> > > >
> > > > And in the July 2009 issue of the Theosophist you have also lied openly
> > > Mrs Burnier. In Theosophical Work around the World, you mention that Mrs
> > > Linda Oliveira attended the 2008 Convention as international Vice-President.
> > > That is a lie, Mrs Burnier, because Mrs Oliveira did not attend the 2008
> > > international Convention. She was admitted in Isabelle Hospital along with
> > > her husband, Mr Pedro Oliveira with a bad case of Chikungunia during the
> > > entire period of the international Convention. They did not get back from
> > > hospital till 5 January 2009, much after the Convention period is over.
> > > Remember, Mrs Burnier, your pets Pedro and Linda did not even get to address
> > > the convention gathering, even though their speeches were ready and waiting
> > > at the Editorial Office.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, when you illegally appointed Mrs Linda Oliveira early in
> > > November 2008 as IVP, the machines at the Editorial Office put up a strong
> > > fight. The Nova Sheet printer converted itself into a house for thousands of
> > > ants. It was an issue filled with breaks, gaps, problems and obstacles of
> > > every kind.
> > > >
> > > > And now see how, Mrs Burnier, "Theosophists" can no longer have the
> > > privilege of having their bodies exhumed on campus of Adyar. Dr Agarwal had
> > > his final rites not on campus at Adyar, as past deceased Theosophists have
> > > had, but outside the campus at Besant Nagar Electrical Crematorium, and C.
> > > Malathi's father at Thiruvanmiyur Electrical Crematorium.
> > > >
> > > > Why i am bringing all of this to your and other members' attention is
> > > because you can kick out Preethi from her home Adyar, but you cannot fight
> > > the Forces of Adyar, the Forces of Nature and the Force of Life, who are all
> > > stronger than you or all your cronies put together will ever be.
> > > >
> > > > It is time for you to step down from your post Mrs Burnier and to allow
> > > younger blood and younger generations to lead the TS, someone more spiritual
> > > than you are; someone more Theosophical, united than you are.
> > > >
> > > > I was shocked to read your Watch-Tower Notes in the July 2009 issue of
> > > the Theosophist, where you stress so much on Brahminism as being the
> > > criterion for a person to be accepted as a chela. So finally in your
> > > declining years, shall we say you have come back to your element and now are
> > > intending to practise casteism in the form of offering chelaship to brahmins
> > > by birth? And who would be your most preferred candidate -- Subha Nilakanta
> > > or Harihara Raghavan?
> > > >
> > > > This is, indeed, shocking from someone who claims to be a 3rd-generation
> > > Theosophist. Shocking not only because of the casteist-flavour of your
> > > statements in the Theosophist, but also because one would expect that the
> > > head of the EST would know that chelaship or being a vehicle for the Masters
> > > of the Wisdom has got nothing to do with birth but more to do with the
> > > quality of the soul.
> > > >
> > > > Recipients to this email/message, welcome to the Brahminical Society of
> > > Mrs Radha Burnier, who fraudulently addresses herself as the President of
> > > the Theosophical Society.
> > > >
> > > > Preethi
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
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