Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
Jul 11, 2009 09:41 PM
by Drpsionic
It really does not matter who claims to be the source. What matters is
that the idea is out there.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 7/11/2009 9:21:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
Until some other jerk steals our idea as his own!
Cass
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>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) "
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
>Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:06:14 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>
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>People heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
>
>Physical presence gets in the way of the teacher. It is much more
>efficient to simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let
people pick
>up on them. And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they
>think is their own rather than someone else's.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
>
>
>In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>Mvandertak@Mvandertak@<WBR>yahoo.
>
>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then? Whats wrong with
>being physically present?
>
>--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@
global-thgl_
>(mailto:global-(mailto:global-<WBR>theos> wrote:
>
>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_
>(mailto:global-(mailto:global-<WBR>theosophy>
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
>
>Chuck said:
>"I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
>identifiable
>agents altogether."
>
>Yes, when they are used as a publicity-stunt.
>Idries Shah has told clearly about it:
>__http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/) _http://wwhttp:_
(http://wwhttp:/) //wwhttp: //wwwhttp_
>(_http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/) esselink. net/sufi/
sufi-shah. html)
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>The truth Guru's which are not physically known can be and are important.
>Most New Age Guru's and even present day theosophical lecturers are only
>average human beings, maybe bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
>A tree is known on its fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating
>people to believe that throwing money away is a good idea or that
emotional
>excitement is the spiritual highest.
>
>- - - - - - -
>
>Idries Shah said:
>"I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a sufficient
>outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of holiness or his
wish to
>have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a guru.
>
>I got all that out of my system very early and, consistent with Sufi
>[theosophical] tradition, I believe that those who don't want to teach
are the
>ones who can and should. The West still has a vocation hang-up and has
not
>yet discovered this. Here, the only recognized achiever is an obsessive.
In
>the East we believe that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't
>necessarily the best one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake
very bad
>cookies. "
>......
>"Their followers need the guru as much as the guru needs his followers. I
>just don't regard it as a religious operation. I take a guru to be a sort
>of psychotherapist. At the very best, he keeps people quiet and polarized
>around him and gives some sort of meaning to their lives."
>......
>"Why shouldn't there be room for what we might call "neighborhood
>psychotherapy" - the community looking after its own? However, why it
should be
>called a spiritual activity rather baffles me."
>.......
>"Some are frankly phonies, and they don't try to hide it from me. They
>think that I am one, too, so when we meet they begin the most disturbing
>conversations. They want to know how I get money, how I control people,
and so
>on."
>......
>"They actually feel there is something wrong with what they are doing,
and
>they feel better if they talk to somebody else who is doing it. I always
>tell them that I think it would be much better if they gave up the guru
role
>in their own minds and realize that they are providing a perfectly good
>social service."
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>- - -
>The question is if the above words are what the beginners at TS Adyar or
>other theosophical groups are greeted with???
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@From: _Drpsion
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>Hmmm, let's see. Ghandi never faced a real opponent, Stalin would have
>had him for lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who fed off the energies
>of
>the dying. I don't know what they were teaching but it ain't anything I
>would want to learn.
>
>I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of teachers as
identifiable
>agents altogether.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
>
>In a message dated 7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva__silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mai
>
>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by their actions rather
>than their words? If this is the case one could argue that Gandhi and
>Mother
>Theresa were world teachers.
>
>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can walk behind them.
>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way to being his/her own
world
>teacher.
>
>Cass
>
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>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>Subject: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual
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>>Ok. The World Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist
have
>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of Annie
>and
>>the Bishop's hats.
>>
>>First, there really has never been an identifiable person who could be
>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any serious impact in his lifetime.
>The
>>Buddha was just another local nutcase and Jesus got himself killed. So
>>this business about finding out who the next "World Teacher" was going
to
>be
>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who will be the next
>Michael
>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting him before he can appear) and all the
>fuss
>>over whether it was Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron
>>Hubbard is missing the point.
>>
>>We can ignore crooks like Sai Baba Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the
>>moment.
>>
>>If there were to be a world teacher, that individual would not have to
>>appear in public at all. He could be totally obscure, sitting in his
>living
>>room, watching reruns of old game shows on cable, an putting the
>information
>>directly into the minds of the people prepared to receive it without
them
>>even knowing that he exists or that the information, the ideas as it
>were,
>>came from any source other than their own minds. The techniques are
>>certainly simple enough. Anyone can master them in a few days. Which is
>why the
>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone else
>>cannot do and probably are.
>>
>>It is obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth
>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to
understand
>how
>>information can be spread. It is from a mindset locked into archaic and
>>fundamentally clumsy means of communication, voice, the written word,
>personal
>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one wonders
>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do not, in
>retrospect,
>>seem to have been masters of much of anything but falling off their
>flying
>>carpets, would not have realized that.
>>
>>The search is a waste of time and energy. If there really is a world
>>teacher running around loose somewhere, he has no need to be found, no
>desire to
>>be public. That would just get in the way and be a distraction.
>>
>>It is time to face reality and forget all the nonsense that has been
>>written in the past by people who either did not know what they were
>talking
>>about or who had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>
>>Chuck the heretic
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