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Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as usual

Jul 11, 2009 09:41 PM
by Drpsionic


It really does not matter who claims to be the source.  What matters  is 
that the idea is out there.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 7/11/2009 9:21:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


Until some other jerk steals our idea as his  own!

Cass

>
>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " 
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:06:14 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up  the wrong tree, as usual
>
>
>
>
>
>People  heal lepers (Hanson's Disease) with antibiotics.
>
>Physical  presence gets in the way of the teacher. It is much more 
>efficient to  simply put the ideas out into the mahatmasphere and let 
people pick 
>up  on them. And people are far more willing to accept an idea that they  
>think is their own rather than someone else's.
>
>Chuck  the Heretic
>
>
>In a message dated 7/11/2009 5:47:41 A.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
>Mvandertak@Mvandertak@<WBR>yahoo.
>
>So people are healing the lepers in their heads then?  Whats wrong with 
>being physically present?
>
>--- On Sat,  7/11/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ 
global-thgl_  
>(mailto:global-(mailto:global-<WBR>theos>  wrote:
>
>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@  global-thgl_ 
>(mailto:global-(mailto:global-<WBR>theosophy>
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as  usual
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>Date: Saturday, July 11,  2009, 12:04 PM
>
>Chuck said:
>"I'm saying we need to get  away from the notion of teachers as 
>identifiable 
>agents  altogether."
>
>Yes, when they are used as a  publicity-stunt.
>Idries Shah has told clearly about it:
>__http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/)   _http://wwhttp:_ 
(http://wwhttp:/)  //wwhttp:  //wwwhttp_ 
>(_http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/)  esselink. net/sufi/  
sufi-shah. html) 
>
>The truth Guru's which are not physically  known can be and are important. 
>Most New Age Guru's and even present  day theosophical lecturers are only 
>average human beings, maybe  bookworms or cunning orators and nothing else.
>A tree is known on its  fruits, and not on how cunning it is in cheating 
>people to believe  that throwing money away is a good idea or that 
emotional 
>excitement  is the spiritual highest.
>
>- - - - - - -
>
>Idries  Shah said:
>"I believe that the guru needs his disciples. If he had a  sufficient 
>outlet for his desire to be a big shot or his feeling of  holiness or his 
wish to 
>have others dependent on him, he wouldn't be a  guru. 
>
>I got all that out of my system very early and,  consistent with Sufi 
>[theosophical] tradition, I believe that those  who don't want to teach 
are the 
>ones who can and should. The West  still has a vocation hang-up and has 
not 
>yet discovered this. Here,  the only recognized achiever is an obsessive. 
In 
>the East we believe  that a person who can't help doing a thing isn't 
>necessarily the best  one to do it. A compulsive cookie baker may bake 
very bad 
>cookies.  "
>......
>"Their followers need the guru as much as the guru  needs his followers. I 
>just don't regard it as a religious operation.  I take a guru to be a sort 
>of psychotherapist. At the very best, he  keeps people quiet and polarized 
>around him and gives some sort of  meaning to their lives."
>......
>"Why shouldn't there be room for  what we might call "neighborhood 
>psychotherapy" - the community  looking after its own? However, why it 
should be 
>called a spiritual  activity rather baffles me."
>.......
>"Some are frankly phonies,  and they don't try to hide it from me. They 
>think that I am one, too,  so when we meet they begin the most disturbing 
>conversations. They  want to know how I get money, how I control people, 
and so  
>on."
>......
>"They actually feel there is something wrong  with what they are doing, 
and 
>they feel better if they talk to  somebody else who is doing it. I always 
>tell them that I think it  would be much better if they gave up the guru 
role 
>in their own minds  and realize that they are providing a perfectly good 
>social  service."
>
>- - -
>The question is if the above words are  what the beginners at TS Adyar or 
>other theosophical groups are  greeted with???
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original  Message ----- 
>From: _Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@From: _Drpsion
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>Sent: Saturday, July 11,  2009 8:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as  usual
>
>Hmmm, let's see. Ghandi never faced a real opponent,  Stalin would have 
>had him for lunch and Mother Theresa was a ghoul who  fed off the energies 
>of 
>the dying. I don't know what they were  teaching but it ain't anything I 
>would want to  learn.
>
>I'm saying we need to get away from the notion of  teachers as 
identifiable 
>agents altogether.
>
>Chuck the  Heretic
>
>In a message dated 7/10/2009 10:22:19 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
>_silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mailto:silva__silva_cass@ yahoo.sil_ (mai
>
>So you are saying that World Teachers are known by  their actions rather 
>than their words? If this is the case one could  argue that Gandhi and 
>Mother 
>Theresa were world  teachers.
>
>I suppose one can walk with world teachers or one can  walk behind them. 
>A spiritual evolved soul is probably on the way to  being his/her own 
world  
>teacher.
>
>Cass
>
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>>From:  "__Drpsionic@ aol._Dr_ (mailto:_Drpsionic@From:  "__Drp
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>>To: _theos-talk@ To: _theos-talTo: _theos-_theos-  talk@yahoogrothe os-t_ 
>(mailto:theos-(mailto:theos-<WBR>talk@yahoo
>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:48:56 PM
>>Subject:  Theos-World Barking up the wrong tree, as  usual
>>
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>>
>>Ok.  The World Teacher thing is fun but the truth is that Theosophist 
have  
>>been flying the wrong carpet on it since the idea floated out of  Annie 
>and 
>>the Bishop's hats.  
>>
>>First, there really has never been an identifiable  person who could be 
>>considered a "World Teacher" who had any  serious impact in his lifetime. 
>The 
>>Buddha was just  another local nutcase and Jesus got himself killed. So 
>>this  business about finding out who the next "World Teacher" was going 
to  
>be 
>>makes about as much sense as trying to find out who  will be the next 
>Michael 
>>Jackson (in the hope of aborting  him before he can appear) and all the 
>fuss 
>>over whether it  was Krishnamurti or Aleister Crowley or even L. Ron 
>>Hubbard is  missing the point.
>>
>>We can ignore crooks like Sai Baba  Booey and crazy old Ben Creme for the 
 
>>moment.
>>
>>If there were to be a world  teacher, that individual would not have to 
>>appear in public at  all. He could be totally obscure, sitting in his 
>living  
>>room, watching reruns of old game shows on cable, an putting the  
>information 
>>directly into the minds of the people prepared  to receive it without 
them 
>>even knowing that he exists or that the  information, the ideas as it 
>were, 
>>came from any source  other than their own minds. The techniques are 
>>certainly simple  enough. Anyone can master them in a few days. Which is 
>why the  
>>dugpa stuff is so silly. There is nothing they can do that anyone  else 
>>cannot do and probably are.
>>
>>It is  obvious that the idea of a World Teacher, wandering the earth  
>>spreading teaching to the hungry masses is a simple failure to  
understand 
>how 
>>information can be spread. It is from a  mindset locked into archaic and 
>>fundamentally clumsy means of  communication, voice, the written word, 
>personal  
>>appearance, even video. There is no need for any of that and one  wonders 
>>why those called masters of the wisdom, who frankly do  not, in 
>retrospect, 
>>seem to have been masters of much of  anything but falling off their 
>flying 
>>carpets, would not  have realized that. 
>>
>>The search is a waste of time and  energy. If there really is a world 
>>teacher running around loose  somewhere, he has no need to be found, no 
>desire to 
>>be  public. That would just get in the way and be a  distraction.
>>
>>It is time to face reality and forget all  the nonsense that has been 
>>written in the past by people who  either did not know what they were 
>talking 
>>about or who  had a vested interest in public ignorance.
>>
>>Chuck the  heretic
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