Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00562)

In today's world, any leader who wants to make major changes, should drum up
members' support.
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Also, today, nothing can be kept secret anymore. As anyone who has been
bitten by discovery of what they said in private,  knows when anything is
put in writing, especially in email, it is bound to come out sooner or
later. So it is always safe to say things assuming everything will come out.

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In this case, the arguments behind disenfranchisement did not hold water.
Any one in the street will agree that the way to move forward in 21st
century is not by disenfranchisement, but by building wide member support.
This requires charismatic leaders whom members trust. If members see any
action as in any way self-serving, it diminishes the faith and trust in
their leaders. Also, another major mistake was not to see and acknowledge
the error and offer quick public apology. The continued silence on this
error only erodes the confidence in leaders and members start wondering,
what is their next move and what members are going to lose next.
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This incident is going to be remembered for a long time to come.
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MKR
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Anand <AnandGholap@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dear MKR,
> How could John Algeo and company change situation in TS, when constitution
> of TS and ES give full control to ES hierarchy and it's head ?
> Naturally they had to invent new ways, one innovative idea was
> disenfranchisement of members.
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > I need to elaborate my comments about no one from Krotona having spoken
> > about the developments since the start of the nomination process and
> > developments subsequent to the election.
> > -
> > There are two key events that I feel members, especially long-time ones,
> > everywhere should have commented on.
> > -
> > First is the lay men's and women's claim that Radha Burnier is sick both
> > physically and mentally, which was shot down by professional opinions of
> > three independent physicians, one a highly regarded long-time member of
> TS
> > and Secretary of a Section. The second one and a serious critical one, is
> > the ultra secret attempt to quickly disenfranchise members world-wide and
> GC
> > members seizing the power to appoint the president, in spite of they
> already
> > having the monopoly of nominating the candidates. The latter one would
> have
> > been a fait accompli but for the good luck of TS and its members and help
> > from theos-talk in making members learn about the secret move. (Mind you,
> > even long term members and volunteers at Adyar and other national centers
> > did not know about it and found out from theos-talk.) In such situations,
> > normally a quick apology would be forth coming and I have not seen any
> > todate. If this had happened in Japan, the proponents would have left for
> > the astral world.
> > -
> > Members in Krotona could have spoken on the above events in support of
> Radha
> > Burnier and TS. But no one did. We know for sure, many residents at
> Krotona
> > use internet and could have posted messages here for free. What were they
> > afraid of? It does not make logical sense to ordinary members like me.
> May
> > be someone who has knowledge about the inner workings of TS can enlighten
> > all of us.
> > -
> > MKR
> > -
> > Visit theosophy.net and enjoy the activities
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:55 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > robertapimenta26@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Anand,
> > >
> > > The power of the Outer Head in the ES is absolute. This body is not
> > > democratic or transparent. The Outer Head can expel anyone from the ES
> at
> > > any moment in time, without any explanation given. Be aware that this
> is not
> > > a secret, there is sufficient literature available about this subject.
> > >
> > > In a presidential election process, as took place last year in the
> Adyar
> > > group, I believe that 'officially' ES members were free to choose their
> > > candidate, but that in practice many ES members felt, or were told by
> their
> > > warden that voting for Mr. John Algeo would show disloyalty and
> disrespect
> > > to the Outer Head of the ES, Mrs. Radha Burnier. This means that the
> Outer
> > > Head of the ES, is able to have a great, or a decisive influence, on
> the
> > > outcome of a presidential election in the TS. I mentioned this last
> week as
> > > well: there is evidence available that ES members, who were in doubt
> about
> > > the physical or mental condition of the International President, were
> told,
> > > that if they had such doubts, they should step out of the ES.
> > >
> > > One other thing came to my mind when I read again Mr. Ramadoss'
> repeated
> > > remarks about the silence from those respected theosophists at a center
> like
> > > Krotona in the USA. The Outer Head of the ES is also the head of that
> > > center, and all those who live there, all ES members, do so by the
> grace of
> > > Mrs. Radha Burnier. Taking the above in consideration, it is not so
> > > difficult to imagine why they're not making any comments, yes? They
> take the
> > > risk of being expelled from the center if they'd do anything which is
> not in
> > > accordance with the wishes and policies of Mrs. Radha Burnier, yes?
> > >
> > > Think about this!
> > >
> > > Later on today, I will set out for a long trip, so I won't be able to
> > > contribute much in the next weeks, but as football trainers tell their
> > > players, I say to you all: Keep pour eyes on the ball!!!
> > >
> > > Roberta
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The presidential elections in Theosophical Society are conducted
> through
> > > secrete ballot. So others may not know for which presidential candidate
> a
> > > person votes. But in many Theosophical lodges elections don't happen
> through
> > > secrete ballot. So everyone knows for whom a member votes.
> > > > If an ES warden is running for the office, which they generally do,
> then
> > > how can an ES member under him vote against the ES warden, when he
> knows
> > > that this warden can expel that member from ES?
> > > > Not only that, how can a member of the lodge or a managing committee
> of
> > > the lodge challenge any proposal supported by an ES warden, when he
> knows
> > > that this warden can expel him from the ES?
> > > > Similarly, how can anybody in the General Council challenge any
> proposal
> > > supported by the Outer Head of ES, when he knows he can be expelled by
> this
> > > Outer Head of ES?
> > > > Anand Gholap
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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