Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00358)

As I recall, it was a very long time ago, Rohit Mehta was the General
Secretary of the Indian Section and he  was relieved of his position to the
surprise of members in Indian Section.
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Does anyone want to throw some light on it?
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MKR
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Visit the theosophical community at theosophy.net
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Ramadoss, maybe this passage from Rohit Mehta's book "The Search for
> Freedom" is really appropriate at this point:
>
> "To revitalize an organization or a community, it is of the greatest
> importance for its members to examine the process of corruption - how and
> why it comes; for unless minds are incorrupt no amount of alteration in
> outer patterns and forms will avail. In dealing with corruption the problem
> of inertia too will be solved, for corruption and inertia are not two
> different things. Organizations and communities can remain fresh and vital
> only when their members are extraordinarily vigilant with regard to the
> process of corruption which contaminates the mind. If the members are aware
> of this they will, by their very vigilance, be able to retain the pristine
> purity of their organizations. Only as organizations become fields of
> observation, instead of fields of self-fulfillment, will they serve as
> channels for the pure and living waters of life to all those who suffer deep
> psychological agony. Organizations will fulfill their purposes only if their
> members do not seek to fulfill their own purposes through them."
>
> Best regards,
> Anton
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > Based on what you have described, it looks like the problems in Slovenia
> > have to be addressed by the members in Slovenia. I hope you or someone
> else
> > can gather enough supporters and bring up the issue within the framework
> > under which TS in Slovenia operates.
> > .
> > My 0.02.
> > .
> > MKR
> > .
> > Visit theosophy.net for interesting theosophy matters.
> > .
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Ramadoss,
> > >
> > > Your question was: "I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally
> meet
> > > with and talk to the current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based
> on
> > > my experience, complex and complicated and contentious situations are
> > > amenable to solution in a one-on-one setting."
> > >
> > > I gave you one practical example to show you how things work, why GS
> avoids
> > > such discussions and that there are centers of power asserting their
> private
> > > interests - usually with the violation of the by-laws and their
> proceedings
> > > - at the expense of the interests of the Theosophical Society, that
> they are
> > > actually working against the interests of the Theosophical Society. And
> this
> > > is for sure a problem, the central problem.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I still could not understand the real problem.
> > > >
> > > > If the TS in Slovenia did not want a website in the manner you
> suggested,
> > > > that is their problem. You, as an individual is free to setup a site
> and
> > > who
> > > > is to make a judgement on it.
> > > >
> > > > We have seen independent websites dealing with theosophy and TS. Also
> we
> > > > have this maillist which is not part of TS. If anyone in the
> > > organizational
> > > > structure does not like it, it is their problem.
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Visit theosophy.net for more on theosophy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/15/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Ramadoss,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dusan and Breda Zagar were close friends with Anton Jesse and to
> some
> > > > > extend with me too but when new GS took over the office in 1995
> they
> > > slowly
> > > > > moved off from him. Let's say that they change their "political"
> > > > > orientation. So, as I usually attend public lectures when some
> guest
> > > arrives
> > > > > in Slovenia, we courteously exchange few words as private persons,
> any
> > > > > discussion in his formal capacity as GS is avoided.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now let's take an example of formal relations: when Geo Duguay,
> late GS
> > > of
> > > > > the Canadian Theosophical Association, began to help me to create
> the
> > > web
> > > > > site I thought that this should be also the web site of the TS in
> > > Slovenia.
> > > > > When I proposed this to Dusan as the GS of the TS in Slovenia it
> was
> > > > > rejected. Then Geo wrote a letter to Dusan proposing two other
> options:
> > > that
> > > > > there could be two separated web sites but hosted on the same
> server
> > > and
> > > > > even completely separated and hosted on two different servers.
> Anyway
> > > the
> > > > > offer was frankly rejected and there was launched more than odd
> > > campaign
> > > > > within the TS in Slovenia that they prefer "live internet" - being
> > > person to
> > > > > person interaction - than a web site. Can any reasonable person
> > > understand
> > > > > this?
> > > > >
> > > > > But the explanation is that it is the Executive Committee which
> > > actually
> > > > > makes decisions as according to society's by-laws GS is only one
> member
> > > of
> > > > > this body and public representative of the Society. And as head of
> > > lodges
> > > > > keep ex-officio seat in the EC although not being elected on any
> > > elections
> > > > > they are real power behind the scenes and GS can not make any
> decision
> > > or
> > > > > take any concrete move without confirmation from the part of these
> > > persons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry to hear what has happened in the past.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally meet with and
> talk
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based on my
> experience,
> > > > > complex
> > > > > > and complicated and contentious situations are amenable to
> solution
> > > in a
> > > > > > one-on-one setting. Even if in such a setting, the resolution is
> > > still
> > > > > not
> > > > > > satisfactory, then we can seek help of several long-time well
> known
> > > > > leaders
> > > > > > within the TS to help sort out the issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 0.02
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MKR
> > > > > > Visit thosophical community at theosophy.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@
> >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear friends,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I really don't want to enter too much into detail. When I was
> > > member of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > TS in Slovenia I tried to call attention of the Society's
> bodies on
> > > the
> > > > > > > existing problems and inconsistencies and to propose solutions.
> My
> > > > > strivings
> > > > > > > were ignored and presented as my personal agenda. Later on I
> > > addressed
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > issues on formal level in a series of articles on the history
> of
> > > the TS
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > former Yugoslavia and Slovenia which can be found on my web
> site.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In general these problems are usually related to the assertion
> of
> > > > > private
> > > > > > > interests at the expense of the common interest of the Society.
> > > Their
> > > > > local
> > > > > > > particularities in Slovenia can be summarized as resulting from
> > > > > smallness of
> > > > > > > groups, from heritage of totalitarian political system and from
> > > poor
> > > > > > > application of constitutional proceedings and declarations on
> > > freedom
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > thought and freedom of the Society. Lodges are close groups
> with
> > > > > practically
> > > > > > > no public work and presence.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I never ceased to seek collaboration with the TS in Slovenia
> and to
> > > > > > > establish normal human relationships but all the attempts are
> still
> > > > > ignored.
> > > > > > > This surrealistic situation can be possibly understood only in
> the
> > > > > light of
> > > > > > > events related to the decay of the TS in former Yugoslavia.
> > > Although I
> > > > > > > didn't participate in them I was later on collaborator of the
> late
> > > GS
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > TS in Slovenia, Anton Jesse, who's role in the history of the
> > > > > theosophical
> > > > > > > movement in our area tend to be purposely put into oblivion
> > > although it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > he who actually did most to keep theosophical flame alive
> through
> > > WW II
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > through the totalitarian period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Therefore words dugpa and dugpa victim should be normally
> > > understood
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > in the context of my previous message to Ramadoss.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > > > > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sometimes this happens in some lodges even in the US and
> India.
> > > > > > > > Even here in San Antonio, years ago, we used to meet in
> member's
> > > > > homes
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > apartments. But public lectures are always held in a public
> > > place.
> > > > > > > > It would be interesting to find out the situation in
> Slovenia.
> > > > > > > > MKR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > > > > > > > robertapimenta26@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Quite interesting this remark by Mr. Anand. Meetings at
> private
> > > > > > > > > appartments, and only a select group to be present? Doesn't
> > > sound
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > transparent to me. What is going on there? That's
> worthwhile
> > > > > > > investigating.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Roberta
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > > > > > > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It is for local members only; and probably because they
> > > still
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > me as
> > > > > > > > > dugpa victim or even dugpa itself,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why do they think you are a dugpa or it's victim?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >while Pedro probably doesn't have any wish to meet me.
> But
> > > the
> > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > problem is probably that that Lodge meets at Lodge head's
> > > private
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