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Re: Theos-World Re: Adyar Estate

Jun 11, 2009 06:11 AM
by MKR


>From grapevine, I hear that some individual attempts were made to address
the reconciliation, which have not borne any fruit so far. It looks like
vested interests have taken too much strangle hold. Unless some quick
dramatic steps like Nixon Administration took in establishing reconciliation
with China, takes place, too much valuable time would be lost for the
Theosophical Movement. It is unfortunate that many do not realize that we
all will be gone sooner or later and TS and Theosophical Movement is here to
stay after we are all gone! It is the current and future generations who
would be the losers.
.
MKR

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:48 AM, robertapimenta26 <
robertapimenta26@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Ramadoss,
>
> Now you're talking business I must say, thanks for what you contribute
> here, this is positive. Reconciliation instead of retaliation, thus being
> loyal to all our theosophical principles; member or no member, independent
> or attached!
>
> But the critical eye is a must. You are so right: only transparency, true
> and impartial, can bring us further, there is no other way! Perhaps the
> change will take some time, it often does you know, so patience is required,
> but Adyar deserves it.
>
> Roberta
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> The voting in the last GC meeting confirmed the cleavage which many who
> were
> > following the events since early last year suspected. I believe that
> unless
> > and until the two groups forming the cleavage reconcile and start working
> in
> > real unity, the TS movement is not going to be helped. Such unity also
> > should be accompanied by transparency as well. Let us hope the leaders
> start
> > thinking about doing something quick and radical to change the current
> > situation instead of being focused on just rules change, which will not
> > bring about unity. We will have to wait and see what new developments
> come
> > up.
> >
> > .
> > MKR
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:43 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > robertapimenta26@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe that one should also realize, in particular when we read the
> > > never ending criticisms of some of your participants on this site, that
> a
> > > body as the General Council clearly has not functioned as it should
> have,
> > > for decades. For as far as I understood it, and from what I was told by
> > > those who actually live at the estate, the actual day by day management
> of
> > > the grounds was, and is totally in the hands of the International
> President.
> > >
> > >
> > > All concerned, and there are sufficient reasons to be concerned should
> be
> > > aware of this, and start asking relevant questions. It is all about
> > > accountability, in combination with total transparency. The General
> Council
> > > apparently only meets once per year and of course that is by far not
> enough
> > > to function properly, the functioning of the Executive Committee,
> urgently
> > > needs to be thoroughly investigated as well.
> > >
> > > It is not about people any longer, it is not about unfortunate and
> stupid
> > > mistakes that were made, and pointing fingers at this stage is not
> going to
> > > help at all. In order to preserve these wonderful grounds, and to
> secure its
> > > heritage, we all carry a responsibilty I feel. Independents, members,
> and
> > > all other seekers for Truth, as I wrote earlier are a part of this. And
> > > also, this is important, think of all the fine workers at the estate,
> the
> > > ordinary Indian workers, the ones whose names are never mentioned, and
> for
> > > whom the stormy period that lies behind, must have been horrific.
> > >
> > > The questioning of the management of the Adyar estate, as Mr. Rozman
> > > suggests, should also take place in their names.
> > >
> > > Roberta
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anton
> > > Rozman" <anton_rozman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Cass,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, one of the aspects of the problem is accountability. But there
> is
> > > much more in stake. Adyar Estate is certainly, besides and because
> being the
> > > Headquarters of the Theosophical Society and therefore a spiritual
> center, a
> > > monument of cultural but also natural heritage. Therefore the TS
> > > Administration has an obligation not only towards the members of the TS
> but
> > > also towards all the humanity to preserve this heritage for future
> > > generations - what already indicates how the problem should be
> approached.
> > > >
> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Cass
> > > Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, so you want accountability. The short answer is for lodges, in
> > > future, to refuse to send the 15% until a balance sheet and projected
> budget
> > > isÃâ forthcoming from Adyar. Another option would be to contact the
> Indian
> > > Taxation Department for information on Adyar's tax returns.
> > > > >
> > > > > One could nicely speculate that expenses will be shown to cover the
> > > bulk of the spending -you will know when things are becoming dire when
> > > property hits the market.
> > > > >
> > > > > If Adyar is not fulfilling its obligations then there is no moral
> > > obligation to continue to fund it.
> > > > > When a charity is seen to be misusing the funds the charity gets
> > > dropped.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cass
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ãâ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@>
> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009 4:22:24 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Estate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dear Cass, is it not self-obvious?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Who is best informed and responsible for the situation at the TS
> > > Headquarters if not the President and its administration? 15 % of TS
> > > members' annual fees go to Adyar for the maintenance of the Adyar
> Estate and
> > > to cover the expenses of administration and it is members' right to
> know how
> > > and for what purposes this money is spent. You can see that
> Jinarajadasa' s
> > > paper was in fact fulfillment of his obligation to provide this
> information
> > > as certain lodge raised such question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sections' representatives who attend Annual Meetings of the
> General
> > > Council have to report to their Sections' members how their money was
> spent
> > > and there were certain allegations made that Adyar Estate is in bad
> shape.
> > > So, it would be natural to see an adequate reaction from the part of
> the
> > > President.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In past year we often stressed the need for transparency. This
> applies
> > > to the work of Sections but even more to the work of the TS
> Headquarters. We
> > > can see that various Sections are now making some humble but concrete
> steps
> > > to meet this need. On the other hand we don't see any progress from the
> part
> > > of the TS Headquarters. There are present only efforts of individual TS
> > > members, as Keith, Ramadoss, Erica, Pedro, William, ÃÂÃâÂàto provide
> us
>
> > > insights on the situation but any step from the part of the President
> and
> > > its administration to open some official public line of communication.
> The
> > > very fact that theos_talk represents practically the only forum for
> > > discussion on these issues confirms mentioned state of affairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With my web site I tried to provide an additional public service
> in a
> > > form of condensed overviews of discussions on this but also other
> e-mail
> > > lists and blogs and in a form of publication of various articles and
> till
> > > now publicly not available documents and books I inherited from the
> late GS
> > > in Slovenia or acquired by purchase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Already in my previous discussions on this list I often tried to
> get
> > > some more information on Adyar Estate, its management and its current
> > > conditions and to make it public but I wasn't too much successful.
> > > Therefore, I now thought that publication of old Jinarajadasa' s
> document I
> > > had in my archive could represent good starting point for further
> collection
> > > of data on the TS Headquarters and its management.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Warmest regards,
> > > > > >Anton
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Anton, what are you trying to get at?
> > > > > >> Cass
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ ...>
> > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > >> >Sent: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009 1:00:58 AM
> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Estate
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Well Ramadoss, instead of representatives' experiences I would
> > > rather like to see the actual President to follow her predecessor
> example
> > > and present us equally exhaustive report on the current situation
> regarding
> > > the administration of the TS Headquarters.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Best regards,
> > > > > >> >Anton
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> A good idea.
> > > > > >> >> Year after year, many TS leaders have travelled to Adyar at
> TS
> > > expense and I
> > > > > >> >> have not seen much written by them about their visits except
> whom
> > > they met,
> > > > > >> >> had coffee or tea or dinner or supper with etc. Hopefully,
> those
> > > lurker
> > > > > >> >> leaders who read this will take time to write about their
> > > experiences at
> > > > > >> >> Adyar.
> > > > > >> >> MKR
> > > > > >> >> More on theosophy at www.theosophy. net
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Dear friends,
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > I have uploaded to the web site an interesting document by
> C.
> > > Jinarajadasa:
> > > > > >> >> > "Administration of the Theosophical Headquarters at Adyar,
> > > Madras".
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/
> Adyar_Estate_
> > > E.htm
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > I would like to complete an overall picture of the Adyar
> Estate
> > > with
> > > > > >> >> > additional material, therefore I kindly ask all those who
> are
> > > in a
> > > > > >> >> > possession of various documents, photos or personal
> impressions
> > > about the TS
> > > > > >> >> > Headquarters and would like to share them with other
> members of
> > > the TS to
> > > > > >> >> > send them to the following e-mail address:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > tsmembers@ . <tsmembers%40teozof ija.info>
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > or safely upload them using a browser on the following
> page:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/tsmembers /tsupload/ upload.htm
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Warmest regards,
> > > > > >> >> > Anton
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >>
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