Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00220)

I am glad you picked on the key issue - transparency..
I am not sure if you have followed the events since early last year.
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The height of non-transparency was the ultra-secret attempt by a handful of
General Council members to take away the voting rights of members world-wide
and seize the power to appoint the president of TS-Adyar.
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Already the GC members have the monopoly to nominate the candidates. This
handful were not content with it. They wanted to take away the voting rights
of the members (disenfranchisement) and take over the power to appoint the
president, thus make the president a puppet in their hands. This was a super
secret attempt and not even workers at Adyar and other national headquarters
knew about it.
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It was the good luck of the theosophists and TS, that it was discovered
before it is too late and with the help of this maillist, the members were
made aware of what some of the leaders are up to.
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Members world-wide were shocked and dismayed to learn about it. The proposal
has not been withdrawn. I suppose, the proponents are just waiting for a
future opportunity...  With the above, many members have a very low level of
trust in many elected national leaders.
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It looks like with  the current set of GC members, especially from the West,
with the above kind of moves, we may have to wait for quite some time so
that newer GC members committed to transparency are in place. This is just
the opinion of a single ordinary member who has not held any positions nor
planning to hold any and is not dependent on TS for livelyhood.
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MKR



On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM, robertapimenta26 <
robertapimenta26@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi, this is the first time I actually participate, so let me try to say
> this: I visited the estate many times over the years and many things have
> changed since my first visit. Unfortunately, next to the totally
> contaminated Adyar river bordering the International Head- quarters, it is
> said that even nearby hospitals dump their waste in it, the city of Chennai
> itself, is steadily holding the estate in an almost deadly grip.
>
> Outside the estate, but from all angles, high flat-buildings are being
> constructed and nowadays there is an extremely busy double road (one above
> the other) right in front of the main entrance. Due to the Chennai climate
> one can imagine that it is almost impossible to keep the grounds and its
> buildings in an optimal state; too many circumstances have changed since the
> Founders actually went there. I would alomst say to those who have doubts:
> go there and see for yourselves!
>
> I often popped into the book store, right at the main gate, and at times
> the smell and noise there were terrible. The 1946 report is outdated, that
> is for certain. I understand that Mr. Rozman feels that the present
> condition of the estate ought to be looked into, and that much more
> impartial information on the subject must come from those who are
> responsible for the management of Adyar. I agree with what I've read on this
> site so many times: transparency, transparency, transparency!
>
> Not only for Adyar-members, but also for theosophists belonging to other
> groups, independent theosophists like me, and all other seekers, Adyar is
> too precious; it deserves our love and care...
>
> Roberta
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, "Anton
> Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Cass, is it not self-obvious?
> >
> > Who is best informed and responsible for the situation at the TS
> Headquarters if not the President and its administration? 15 % of TS
> members' annual fees go to Adyar for the maintenance of the Adyar Estate and
> to cover the expenses of administration and it is members' right to know how
> and for what purposes this money is spent. You can see that Jinarajadasa's
> paper was in fact fulfillment of his obligation to provide this information
> as certain lodge raised such question.
> >
> > Sections' representatives who attend Annual Meetings of the General
> Council have to report to their Sections' members how their money was spent
> and there were certain allegations made that Adyar Estate is in bad shape.
> So, it would be natural to see an adequate reaction from the part of the
> President.
> >
> > In past year we often stressed the need for transparency. This applies to
> the work of Sections but even more to the work of the TS Headquarters. We
> can see that various Sections are now making some humble but concrete steps
> to meet this need. On the other hand we don't see any progress from the part
> of the TS Headquarters. There are present only efforts of individual TS
> members, as Keith, Ramadoss, Erica, Pedro, William, â to provide us insights
> on the situation but any step from the part of the President and its
> administration to open some official public line of communication. The very
> fact that theos_talk represents practically the only forum for discussion on
> these issues confirms mentioned state of affairs.
> >
> > With my web site I tried to provide an additional public service in a
> form of condensed overviews of discussions on this but also other e-mail
> lists and blogs and in a form of publication of various articles and till
> now publicly not available documents and books I inherited from the late GS
> in Slovenia or acquired by purchase.
> >
> > Already in my previous discussions on this list I often tried to get some
> more information on Adyar Estate, its management and its current conditions
> and to make it public but I wasn't too much successful. Therefore, I now
> thought that publication of old Jinarajadasa's document I had in my archive
> could represent good starting point for further collection of data on the TS
> Headquarters and its management.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, Cass
> Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anton, what are you trying to get at?
> > > Cass
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@>
> > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009 1:00:58 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Estate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Well Ramadoss, instead of representatives' experiences I would rather
> like to see the actual President to follow her predecessor example and
> present us equally exhaustive report on the current situation regarding the
> administration of the TS Headquarters.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >Anton
> > > >
> > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> A good idea.
> > > >> Year after year, many TS leaders have travelled to Adyar at TS
> expense and I
> > > >> have not seen much written by them about their visits except whom
> they met,
> > > >> had coffee or tea or dinner or supper with etc. Hopefully, those
> lurker
> > > >> leaders who read this will take time to write about their
> experiences at
> > > >> Adyar.
> > > >> MKR
> > > >> More on theosophy at www.theosophy. net
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ ...>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dear friends,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have uploaded to the web site an interesting document by C.
> Jinarajadasa:
> > > >> > "Administration of the Theosophical Headquarters at Adyar,
> Madras".
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ Adyar_Estate_
> E.htm
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I would like to complete an overall picture of the Adyar Estate
> with
> > > >> > additional material, therefore I kindly ask all those who are in a
> > > >> > possession of various documents, photos or personal impressions
> about the TS
> > > >> > Headquarters and would like to share them with other members of
> the TS to
> > > >> > send them to the following e-mail address:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > tsmembers@ . <tsmembers%40teozof ija.info>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > or safely upload them using a browser on the following page:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/tsmembers /tsupload/ upload.htm
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Warmest regards,
> > > >> > Anton
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
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