Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00218)

Hi, this is the first time I actually participate, so let me try to say this: I visited the estate many times over the years and many things have changed since my first visit. Unfortunately, next to the totally contaminated Adyar river bordering the International Head- quarters, it is said that even nearby hospitals dump their waste in it, the city of Chennai itself,  is steadily holding the estate in an almost deadly grip. 

Outside the estate, but from all angles, high flat-buildings are being constructed and nowadays there is an extremely busy  double road (one above the other) right in front of the main entrance. Due to the Chennai climate one can imagine that it is almost impossible to keep the grounds and its buildings in an optimal state; too many circumstances have changed since the Founders actually went there. I would alomst say to those who have doubts: go there and see for yourselves! 

I often popped into the book store,  right at the main gate,  and at times the smell and noise there were terrible. The 1946 report is  outdated, that is for certain.  I understand that Mr. Rozman feels that the present condition of the estate ought to be  looked into, and that much more impartial information on the subject must come from those who are responsible for the management of Adyar. I agree with what I've read on this site so many times: transparency, transparency, transparency! 

Not only for Adyar-members, but also for theosophists belonging to other groups, independent theosophists like me, and all other seekers, Adyar is too precious; it deserves our love and care...

Roberta  


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Cass, is it not self-obvious?
> 
> Who is best informed and responsible for the situation at the TS Headquarters if not the President and its administration? 15 % of TS members' annual fees go to Adyar for the maintenance of the Adyar Estate and to cover the expenses of administration and it is members' right to know how and for what purposes this money is spent. You can see that Jinarajadasa's paper was in fact fulfillment of his obligation to provide this information as certain lodge raised such question. 
> 
> Sections' representatives who attend Annual Meetings of the General Council have to report to their Sections' members how their money was spent and there were certain allegations made that Adyar Estate is in bad shape. So, it would be natural to see an adequate reaction from the part of the President.
> 
> In past year we often stressed the need for transparency. This applies to the work of Sections but even more to the work of the TS Headquarters. We can see that various Sections are now making some humble but concrete steps to meet this need. On the other hand we don't see any progress from the part of the TS Headquarters. There are present only efforts of individual TS members, as Keith, Ramadoss, Erica, Pedro, William, ? to provide us insights on the situation but any step from the part of the President and its administration to open some official public line of communication. The very fact that theos_talk represents practically the only forum for discussion on these issues confirms mentioned state of affairs.
> 
> With my web site I tried to provide an additional public service in a form of condensed overviews of discussions on this but also other e-mail lists and blogs and in a form of publication of various articles and till now publicly not available documents and books I inherited from the late GS in Slovenia or acquired by purchase.
> 
> Already in my previous discussions on this list I often tried to get some more information on Adyar Estate, its management and its current conditions and to make it public but I wasn't too much successful. Therefore, I now thought that publication of old Jinarajadasa's document I had in my archive could represent good starting point for further collection of data on the TS Headquarters and its management.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
> >
> > Anton, what are you trying to get at?
> > Cass
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@>
> > >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009 1:00:58 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Estate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Well Ramadoss, instead of representatives' experiences I would rather like to see the actual President to follow her predecessor example and present us equally exhaustive report on the current situation regarding the administration of the TS Headquarters.
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >Anton
> > >
> > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> A good idea.
> > >> Year after year, many TS leaders have travelled to Adyar at TS expense and I
> > >> have not seen much written by them about their visits except whom they met,
> > >> had coffee or tea or dinner or supper with etc. Hopefully, those lurker
> > >> leaders who read this will take time to write about their experiences at
> > >> Adyar.
> > >> MKR
> > >> More on theosophy at www.theosophy. net
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ ...> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear friends,
> > >> >
> > >> > I have uploaded to the web site an interesting document by C. Jinarajadasa:
> > >> > "Administration of the Theosophical Headquarters at Adyar, Madras".
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/Teozofsko _gibanje/ Adyar_Estate_ E.htm
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to complete an overall picture of the Adyar Estate with
> > >> > additional material, therefore I kindly ask all those who are in a
> > >> > possession of various documents, photos or personal impressions about the TS
> > >> > Headquarters and would like to share them with other members of the TS to
> > >> > send them to the following e-mail address:
> > >> >
> > >> > tsmembers@ . <tsmembers%40teozof ija.info>
> > >> >
> > >> > or safely upload them using a browser on the following page:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.teozofij a.info/tsmembers /tsupload/ upload.htm
> > >> >
> > >> > Warmest regards,
> > >> > Anton
> > >> >
> > >> > 
> > >> >
> > >> 
> > >> 
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