Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00801)

Looking back, Dugpas have kept the maillists active and interesting. I have
even heard comments that some msgs here are quite intense. Some traditional
theosophists are terrified of talking about Dugpas!
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MKR


On 5/29/09, Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:
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> "Dugpas do it better!"
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> My favorite bumper sticker.
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> Chuck the Heretic
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> In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:17:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> writes:
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> From the early days of TS, Dugpas have been active and creating trouble. A
> P
> Sinnett had commented that Dugpas were responsible for some of the problems
> he had faced. Besant had commented that HPB was under constant attack from
> Dugpas. Today, many theosophists believe that Dugpas have not disappeared
> like magic. They are quite active as ever. Many also believe that the hand
> of Dugpas is seen in the continuing crisis TS has seen since early last
> year. Here is some interesting material on Dugpas.
> .
> In the following book, Raghavan Iyer inquired of Dalai Lama about Dugpas.
> .
> My Talk with the Dalai Lama
> by RAGHAVAN IYER 1961
> LONDON
> EAST AND WEST LTD.
> 1961
> .
> Here is the quote:
> .
> "Then I turned to him and asked him whether he was referring to the Dugpas,
> to sorcerers and to âsoulless men.â When I said this, his interpreter
> could
> not translate it because the word âDugpaâ has two senses. Literally, it
> refers to an inhabitant of Bhutan, and using that meaning his interpreter
> could not make sense of what I was saying. There is another meaning to the
> word, meaning an evil being, or even a sorcerer, and to my surprise this
> seemed to be unfamiliar to the interpreter. But the Dalai Lama showed that
> he understood exactly what I had in mind. The Dalai Lama hinted at an
> important point which was understood by Spinoza in Europe but which is
> often
> ignored. There is no real distinction in the long run between the true
> self-interest of a person and an unpleasant duty. There were unfortunately
> people who persisted in doing things which were going to harm them above
> all
> as well as others. He spoke with quiet compassion about these ignorant
> though cunning evil-doers. It would be most wrong for us, he implied, to
> condemn them or to dismiss them out of the horizon of our sympathy, as they
> did more harm to themselves than to other human beings, although they could
> not see it. Sometimes people were able to see the truth but through
> selfishness they could not apply it. There were also people who were
> utterly
> misguided in their view of what was in their own interest. If only they
> could know, if only they were not so short-sighted through their own
> desperation and through their own false concepts, they would see more
> clearly what was in their interest and that this could not be so very
> different for different peoples. In all conflicts the combatants ought to
> realize that their ultimate interests were the same, but this was exactly
> what was so difficult. Therefore, it was always the people who could stand
> outside a violent conflict in any part of the world to-day, who, by their
> awareness of this ultimate identity of interests between both sides in
> terms
> of their common survival and in relation to the whole of humanity, could be
> an active force for good. They could act as a check on the recurrent and
> ever-increasing nature of evil, generated by folly, selfishness and above
> all short-sightedness.a
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> MKR
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