Theos-Talk Archives (May 2009 Message tt00798)

"Dugpas do it better!"
 
My favorite bumper sticker.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:17:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 


>From the early days of TS, Dugpas have been active and creating trouble. A  
P
Sinnett had commented that Dugpas were responsible for some of the  problems
he had faced. Besant had commented that HPB was under constant  attack from
Dugpas. Today, many theosophists believe that Dugpas have not  disappeared
like magic. They are quite active as ever. Many also believe  that the hand
of Dugpas is seen in the continuing crisis TS has seen since  early last
year. Here is some interesting material on Dugpas.
.
In  the following book, Raghavan Iyer inquired of Dalai Lama about  Dugpas.
.
My Talk with the Dalai Lama
by RAGHAVAN IYER  1961
LONDON
EAST AND WEST LTD.
1961
.
Here is the  quote:
.
"Then I turned to him and asked him whether he was referring to  the Dugpas,
to sorcerers and to âsoulless men.â When I said this, his  interpreter 
could
not translate it because the word âDugpaâ has two senses.  Literally, it
refers to an inhabitant of Bhutan, and using that meaning his  interpreter
could not make sense of what I was saying. There is another  meaning to the
word, meaning an evil being, or even a sorcerer, and to my  surprise this
seemed to be unfamiliar to the interpreter. But the Dalai  Lama showed that
he understood exactly what I had in mind. The Dalai Lama  hinted at an
important point which was understood by Spinoza in Europe but  which is 
often
ignored. There is no real distinction in the long run  between the true
self-interest of a person and an unpleasant duty. There  were unfortunately
people who persisted in doing things which were going to  harm them above 
all
as well as others. He spoke with quiet compassion about  these ignorant
though cunning evil-doers. It would be most wrong for us, he  implied, to
condemn them or to dismiss them out of the horizon of our  sympathy, as they
did more harm to themselves than to other human beings,  although they could
not see it. Sometimes people were able to see the truth  but through
selfishness they could not apply it. There were also people who  were 
utterly
misguided in their view of what was in their own interest. If  only they
could know, if only they were not so short-sighted through their  own
desperation and through their own false concepts, they would see  more
clearly what was in their interest and that this could not be so  very
different for different peoples. In all conflicts the combatants ought  to
realize that their ultimate interests were the same, but this was  exactly
what was so difficult. Therefore, it was always the people who  could stand
outside a violent conflict in any part of the world to-day,  who, by their
awareness of this ultimate identity of interests between both  sides in 
terms
of their common survival and in relation to the whole of  humanity, could be
an active force for good. They could act as a check on  the recurrent and
ever-increasing nature of evil, generated by folly,  selfishness and above
all  short-sightedness.a

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MKR
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There is no religion higher  than truth

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