Dear Morten,
I am glad we can find resolutions amongst the chaos :)
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-
theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 8:08 AM
Thanks you for your answer.
I am happy to learn that you found my answer useful.
And your assumptions about miracles are part of the ones I use.
The e-mail can be read again from time to time if in need.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio/Tony None
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
of Truth"?
Hi Morten,
Fair enough. I guess i can relate in that my album will be my
calling card and as Sai babas trick did not come off so too might
my album not come off. In this respect i can overstand your take on
things. In saying this i still think someone enlightened would not
consider the actions sai babe considerd and on this it may be
better for us to agree to dissagree.
Regarding the information you sent in this email.
Firstly in my opinion what i percieve is ment by the first statment
is that one must adapt to as a teacher to the level of learning of
his pupil. Personally i feel there are more appropriate ways sai
baba could have done this than stage magic.
Yes it is a sensetive matter in that you must be extreamly careful
how you administer your teachings as people will be more than happy
to pick holes in the way you teach. On this occasion i think sai
baba's actions are a perfect case in point.
Regarding the second statment which i found quite interesting:
Disorder is a human condition and until we are perfected human we
will always need theraputic approaches in dealing with this. I
think what is meant by this statement is not to confuse this with
wisdom teaching and the esoteric in that the two should be
seperated and the esoteric wisdoms should not be applied in dealing
with ones chaos and dissorder of mind. Rather that the esoteric
teachings should be delved into with the clearest of minds. if this
simple rule is not followed i would agree that the teachings could
be miscontrude and what goes into the machine will come out totally
distorted.
The last statment did not make sense in my opinion perhaps there
are words missing?
From what i can assume the statement is trying to bring to light
the fact that miracles happen to enlightened masters and people
percieveing this may or may not take hold of these happenings
through the need to associate with something beyond the norm. But
as i say this is very unclear to me. Perhaps a better break down
would merit better insight on my part.
Thank you for the link i will aim to have a look, time permitting.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer
of Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 9:18 PM
Allright.
I also do care.
Antionio wrote:
"Why he would wish to do this i dont know?"
I know that Sai Baba has said that his parapsychological activities
are due to him using them as a "calling-card" - to get attention
from people, so that they might be more open minded in listening to
what he has to say to them.
Sai Baba's teachings are coinciding a whole lot with Adwaita
Vedanta and Patanjali teachings.
********
The following from Idries Shah's corpus might be helpful to consider:
"What is so perplexing to conditioned attitudes about Wisdom
teachers is that, unlike teachers of other kinds, they refuse to
stick to one kind of appearance. As an example, if you go to see a
Wisdom Teacher, he/she may not look, talk or act like a mystical
master at all. This is because he/she says either: 'You can teach
only by the method indicated for each pupil, and you may have to
teach by what seems to him/her unlikely'; or else because he/she
says: 'There is a time and a place and certain company. According
to these, we will teach. When it is time to be serious, we will be
serious. When it is time to work through what looks like ordinary
things, we have to do so.'
So importan is this lesson that it can be said to go before all
others: in the sense that failure to know this can prevent you from
learning more - and can leave you attached to externals of
hypocrites. This includes, of course, unconscious hypocrites.
If the Masters are right in their claim that time affects
behaviour, and that personal appearance should change (and even
temperament) then obviously all the people who cultivate a reveend
appearance, and all those who acquire it, mistaking this for
spirituality, are wrong."
......
"The genesis of the attitude adopted by the people of externals is
that their invard drive is for finding tidiness, order. This is not
a spiritual activity, it is perhaps, rather, a therapeutic one.
Order is essential for disordered people. Looking for it as a major
factor in 'esoteric' directions is the mistake.
In trying to make what - for them - is order out of what they
imagine to be the disorder of Wisdom teachings, they have to over-
simplify. They ignore parts of the teaching and succed only in
creating an imitation of the Wisdom teachings of all ages.
Because so many people desire order so strongly, you will find more
imitations than reality. One cannot blame anyone for this. But
pointing out facts can help."
......
"Wisdom Masters who have reached stages where strange things happen
in their vicinity, generally called miracles and wonders, due to
actions OTHER than attempt to mpress, have to try to compensate for
this. Otherwise people are attracted to them or to the Wisdom
Teachers in general because of craving for wonders."
---
Al-Khidr
Al-Khidr's behaviour in this link is also strange, but it might be
able to explain the strange behaviour Sai Baba has from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Al-Khidr
Allright?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio/Tony None
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Hi Morten,
First let me say i never take sides. My opinions and thoughts are
soley my own.
The last intention i have is to cause disharmony amongst this group
so please do not take any of my thoughts or opinions personally ,
rather if you choose , reflect and form your own opinions.
To address the point you made.
It could be percieved that i have self contradicted, however my
opinion regarding sai baba was formed without the knowledge you
brought to my attention regarding BC's beliefs.
If this is what BC beleives than that is his choice. You and I may
beleive in the same philosophy or religion but our perceptions may
vary. My point is that perhaps BC's views and beleifs are all
correct and perhaps some are and some arent, none of us are perfect
and our beleifs in turn are prone to contradictions. if this is
what BC truly beleives it begs the questions of why Sai Baba would
resort to materialisations and others kinds of parapsychological
activities. Not to say this is right or wrong , what is wrong is
when you have missplaced intentions. My only conclusion from what i
saw on youtube was Sai baba's intention was to fool his followers
and his trick went wrong and he was exposed. Why he would wish to
do this i dont know? Perhaps the pressure of appearing to have
extraordinary capabilities may be one reason or perhaps his intent
was to wow his followers in turn increasing his reputation as the
cosmic avatar. These are only assumption and
at
the end of the day only Sai Baba knows his true intentions. My
point was that a spiritually enlightened being would not even
entertain the thought of conducting such an act. In my opinion a
spiritually enlightened being would simply use words. Words are
both weapons and healing tools and thus the true form of all magic.
by these means and these means alone would a true avatar address
humanity.
if you need me to elaborate further by all means let me know which
points you would like me to address.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 5:40 PM
Dear Antonio and friends
My views are:
Maybe it is just me, but are your statement not self-contradicting.
I ask:
How can you say that Benjamin Creme is allright when he says that
Sai Baba is a Cosmic Avatar and higher than his own claimed
Maitreya Avatar, - and then go on to say that Sai Baba is false and
fake? You simply lost me there?
- - -
It would be helpful if you would document your views instead of
almost saying that "belief" is more valid than actual knowledge.
Why is it wrong when Sai Baba makes what he calls materialisations
and others kinds of parapsychological activities?
I mean to some persons reading or driving a car is pure magic, to
others it is quite natural and is done out compassion. So what is
the actual difference?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio/Tony None
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
As a response to this i saw a youtuube video of Sai Baba doing
stage magic terribally badly. If you like i would be happy to post
this but it may distort your opinion of him. In my opinion any
spiritually enlightened master would simply not engage in something
of this nature. Regarding BC and Sai Baba following the exact same
paths i would have to dissagree. The same way you can have two
people working for the same organisation , they are still both
individuals and their beleifs, intentions and choices and actions
will always differ to ceartian degrees. I have seen enough of BC to
know he is noble in nature and wants a positive conclusion to the
chaos in this world. Wether this is an extreamly good act or not i
do not know but until i see otherwise i will not assume.
Peace and Blessings
Antonio
--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@
stofanet. dk> wrote:
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:29 AM
Dear Cass and friends
My views are:
And you are of course able to document the view that Sai Baba are a
fraud?
I suggest you read the words by Al Khidr taken from the not to-be-
read-dead- letter Quran before answering.
Al Khidr (The Green Guide. The Master of the Masters.)
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Al-Khidr
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Sai Baba and Crene are both frauds - Crene may be delusional but
Sai Baba knows how to exploit for gain
Cass
____________ _________ _________ __
From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, 21 May, 2009 8:08:22 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Dear friends
My views are:
On Share Internationals website we have the following:
"Maitreya and other well-known figures
This page sheds some light into the relationship between Maitreya
and some well-known figures such as Sai Baba, the Buddha, Krishna
and Krishnamurti. This information is excerpted from the books by
Benjamin Creme."
"Maitreya & Sai Baba
Sri Sathy Sai BabaSai Baba is a teacher or guru in south India with
an enormous following. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps one or two
million people from all over the world would claim to be his
devotees. These Followers see him as God, the creator of the
universe. He is a cosmic avatar. Sai Baba and Maitreya both embody
the same energy--what we call the Christ principle, the energy of
Love --- Sai Baba at the cosmic level, Maitreya at the planetary
level."
http://www.share- international. org/maitreya/ Ma_others. htm
So if one follows Cremes views, one might just the same or even
better follow Sai Babas?
If so, why do we have to believe that there is more than one
Avatar, when Sai Baba never mentions Cremes Maitreya Avatar?
So why indeed use the Great Invocation written by Alice A. Bailey
so to accomplish her views given in the book named "The
Externalization of the Hierarchy"?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio/Tony None
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Dear Leon,
Thanks for your response.(Theos- World Was Alice Bailey "the New
Torch-Bearer of Truth"?)
It would be very interesting from my perspective to know of these 4
musicians. Are there any links i could look into please?
I overstand your skepticsm and think it is valient. One should
never accept any movement for total peace or total anarchy with
blind faith but instead should evaluate the intricacies of that
movement and make an intuitive decision as to wether or not its
intentions are good or evil. In my case i am a total believer in
love and peace and i am always considerate and compassionate when i
see injustic in our world. My aim is simply to bring to light a
philosophy or ideal which i feel will make the world a better place
and yes we shall see how the labum impacts. I will post a link on
this thread nearer the time of its release for all to listen to and
digest and reflect and offer opinions on.
Regarding BC, I am also of the beleif that he may be working for
the very people who want to impose a globalist agenda of control on
the world. Perhaps if he has to accept the possibilty of a truely
benevolent Maitreya through pressures from humanity his individual
beliefs or plans would not come to fruition but those of Maitreya
will. Lets hope this is the case or that BC is himself benevolent
and wishes for love and peace in a chaotic world.
I am in agreement with you comment about christ consciousness and
self realisation. I beleive that each of us have the ability to
become gods. When i say gods i mean it in the purest eseence of
love and peace. Mastered individuals that see and feel the
interconectedness of all of humanity. My album is about raising
this awareness in each of us. Wether or not Christ himself returns
is a matter of speculation. That fact is totally out of my hands
and in part irrelevent to my particular chosen path. All i can do
is follow my beleifs and continue to better myself in order to
serve humanity in the most productive and peacful way possible.
I have read up on the ancient mystery schools that came out of
egypt and that are now administered in most secret societies and
how these degrees circumnavigate the tree of life, ultimatly
leading to enligtenment. Wether this is effective or not i do not
know but i guess the only way to find out is to immerse yourself in
that world and work your way to the top as the proof is in the
pudding. Personally i choose to tread my own made path as i know my
end goal is self realisation and enlightenment in its purest form
of love and truth.
i have seen the video of the indian self proclaimed mesiah and his
silly hand trick that didnt quite come off! how very silly. These
fabricators and dupers will always eventually be exposed it is just
a shame that a handfull of followers commit themselves to these
types of individuals through blind faith without question. In the
end crime never pays ;)
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 5:04 AM
Hi Antonio,
Since everyone here could be reading our letters, and don't always
save read messages, it would be a good idea to quote whatever
posting you are responding to.
As I have said all I needed to about your ideas and plans in my last
correspondence, we'll just have to wait and see if your visions are
real and the future you predict will be realized in this century, if
not in our lifetimes.
I may be a bit jaded and skeptical -- since you are the fourth self
proclaimed music maven messiah I have encountered since the mid
1940s. I'm still waiting for any of the prophesies they made to come
true. One of them, a very successful musician (whom I met in the
60's and toked with in NY Central Park during the 70s) even got
eliminated by the dark side powers that be -- when he came too close
to initiating his revolution to bring peace and love to the world.
So, there's no way to know whether he was the real messiah (although
his music still lives on with his message -- that continues to
influence many people to think and act theosophically) .
In the meantime, we'll all look forward to your forthcoming album --
with the hope that it can really help change the world and bring it
closer to peace, love, and universal brotherhood.
To answer your question... I don't think there that any true
theosophist -- (many of whom are NOT active members of the splintered
Theosophical Society) -- could ever consider Creme a theosophist or
that the man who calls himself Maitreya, is the Messiah he claims to
be -- since the theosophical Masters themselves do not believe in a
personal God or his supposed avatars in the flesh. As the great
teacher Jesus said, "you shall know them by their fruits." So, the
fact that Creme believes in Maitreya makes it obvious that he may be
one of the tools of the "New World Order" conspiracy.
And, it also should be obvious that the Christ's (NOT Jesus) apparent
"return" has already occurred within every true theosophist who has
achieved self realization, merged his higher self with the Universal
Self, and has become a nucleus of universal brotherhood -- the prima
object of the theosophical movement.
Therefore, no one can claim he is the ONLY Christ-Messiah, in order
to rule and be worshipped and followed... Like the Pharaohs of
ancient Egypt... None of whom could perform any true miracles --
other than fooling ignorant people with the same, apparently magical,
knowledge used by both Jesus and Moses (and even HPB, who also knew
all the rules of "glamour" and "Mesmerism" -- like the "Fakirs" in
India).
No doubt the current Maitreya claimant uses those same "stage magic"
techniques to fool the superstitious Hindu mobs who attend his
meetings in India.
Good luck with your album.
Best wishes,
Leon
On May 18, 2009, at 5/18/095:11 PM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
Hi Leon,
Thanks for your indepth feedback.
I have taken on board your points of view and what seems to be a
vast wealth of knowledge, well articulated in your reply.
I can't help the beliefs that i have, they are a result of my life
experiences. I beleive it is my calling to break down what the new
world order is and what their true agenda is. I would have to agree
that the new world order is a powerful ideal one that could
potential destroy or heal the world in which we live.
The fact remains that regardless of your beliefs, the powers that
be will indeed see their plans come to fruition. The TS in my
opinion has many faces. It is the culmination of opinions and
ideals of each member that create the future for the TS.
I have recently watched a few of Krishnamurti' s lectures and i saw
him talking at the UN and being introduced as the World Teacher.
Although i respect his views i still think he was far off the mark
in terms of what i would percieve the real world teacher to be.
Benjamin creme a self proclaimed theosphist believes in Maitreya
and i am not quite sure what to make of that fact. Is this not a
common beleief amongst members of the TS?
There are many conflicting views and i can see why the TS is being
torn and sides are being formed. My real aim is to break down the
viel of secrecy and show people what is really going on. I honestly
beleive that the false messiah will actually fool the very elite.
those who beleive he will be used as another pupet to bring about
their agenda. However i think this is where Maitreya will come into
his element and expose the very people that think he is working for
them. They say if you cant beat them join them. That is the only
way to beat them, from within.
If my album makes some waves and i am sure with the confession of
who i am in my songs it will. Then i hope that the powers that be
will wake up and realise that i am here to help them with their
plans. Once inside the devils house i will use love to contaminate
the evils and thus turn power inside out.
The fact that Maitreya is not destined to arrive for sometime
according to your calculations does not deter me in my efforts as
time is not relevent to my end goal. The fact is this earth will
long perish before the time of Maitryea's arrival based on buddhist
calculations.
My time to act is now. My life will be put on the line. What i am
talking about in my music could lead me to public ridicule
something i am willing to sacrafice for change.
The bottom line is i know that Maitryea is a false prophet and i
also know that without this false prophet Christ can not reapear.
So in order to bring about Christs coming i am willing to be the
antichrist or false messiah. I want to make that sacrafice. I feel
that is my calling.
So i will follow my beleifs to the end and see where my album takes
me.
That overshadowing experience is one i want back. That was the only
time in my life that i felt complete, connected and truely at
peace. That is what i am aiming for and i feel when my life's work
is complete i can either totally let go of that part of my life or
totally embrace it based on the reaction of my material.
I have had amaizing visions of the future and one based on love and
peace and ultimatly that is what i am fighting for in the best and
most powerful way i know.
So it is obvious we have two very different points of view and i
respect yours and know that it is more of an educated enriched
perspective of the matters which we speak of but i must follow what
i beleive in with all my heart and hope to make positive change as
a result.
We shall see on the 22nd of July how east london reacts to my
campaign. Hopefully it will cause a stir and kick start a
revolution. But we will see.
Peace and blessings
Antonio.
--- On Mon, 18/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, 18 May, 2009, 8:49 PM
Antonio,
I don't want to burst your bubble, but that's the same kind of talk
that the early founders of the Catholic Church used -- that ended up
causing long periods of warfare and pogroms that caused deaths,
injuries, broken families and destruction of homes of countless
millions of people.
No matter what the motives are of the "false prophet" (Matthew
7:15-20) calling himself "Maitreya" (actually destined to come at the
end of Kali Yuga in about 400,000 years from now) -- who comes to
supposedly take charge of the global "New World Order" government --
it will be his sycophant inner circle of followers who will actually
rule.
And, as is well known to all students of history -- such absolute
power, in the hands of unenlightened and greedy people, always
corrupts absolutely. So, any government based on organized religion
centered around a divine Messianic figurehead, and dependent on
restrictive dictatorial laws to control the thoughts and actions of
the people, is destined to fail.
My hope (not fear) is that such a police state dictatorial government
never sneaks up on us -- like was attempted recently by another sweet
talking Jesus Christ loving, born again evangelical Christian -- who
slyly stole an election, became the US President and lied us into a
seemingly endless religious war -- with the help of his cabal of evil
minded political cronies. So, count on me to be one of the many
enemies of this false Messiah posing as Maitreya, and the New World
Order shadow government that backs him -- whoever he is or they are.
I'm afraid that any true theosophist who has already, or is studying
and practicing to reach full self realization, knows that none of the
works of man can ever solve the problems that man's works (guided by
edicts and rules created and sanctioned by their leaders, and
condoned by their personal greeds) has created. And no dictatorial
government set up to solve those problems can flourish without such
power, in the hands of the few, ending up just as corrupt as all
revolutionary movements eventually become, when they take over
dictatorial control of governing peoples lives.
Of course, no real theosophist is for a fully self governed, "no
rules" world... That is, untll ALL people are self realized and
enlightened. But, until then, the only good government would be a
true democratic government "of the people, by the people, and for the
people"... With a leadership that can be kicked out when the people
decide they are not serving the purpose they were elected for.
Surely,, such a government will never be ideal... But it is certainly
better than any dictatorship or monarchy over the long run.
And, agreed, the global monetary system would have to be radically
changed if such a true democracy could work effectively. But, we
must never forget that each group of people with similar customs
would have to remain free to practice them without interference -- so
long as they harm no one. So, a homogenous global governed world by
any dictatorial religious leader is not a realistic solution to the
world problems.
As it stands, the "New World Order" government you speak of, is the
same old plan for world dictatorship and takeover of the global
economy by the "Secret Society" of world bankers and brokers -- who
are just waiting for another phony Messiah to, knowingly or
unknowingly, act as their stooge in the role of world dictator --
under their guidance and control.
In no way can the ancient brotherhood of non interfering Masters and
Adepts be confused with this New World Order cabal of greedy elitists
and would be dictatorial monarchists.
While I don't believe in your personal God or his supposed coming
savior, I don't doubt your good intentions.. . Although, there is an
old truism saying that "the road to hell is paved with good
intentions." ;-)
But, be assured that no true theosophist has to worry about
"releasing the devil that is (supposedly) within them." ;-) The only
one's who have such devils in them are those who would sacrifice
individual liberty to a dictatorial government. So, maybe you should
study the fundamental teachings of theosophy before you start
preaching to those who truly understand and follow its Heart
Doctrine.
So, stick with your love-teaching music, and stop trying to convert
into your religious beliefs, theosophists or any other spiritually
minded independent thinkers who, while they, too, may respect your
ideals, won't fall for smarmy, holier than thou talk -- when its
underlying motives lead to any sort of mind-controlling,
dictatorially religious governmental organization.
Incidentally, after going back in my unread letter files and reading
about your "overshadowing" as you call it -- I think you may have
experienced unconscious mediumistic Astral epiphanies that could have
been falsely interpreted as spiritual experiences. .. If so, I
recommend that you study some of the articles written by Blavatsky
about the Astral realm and the errors and dangers of such mediumship,
as contrasted with true adeptship. According to the occult laws,
there is no way for a living individual to contact an entity on the
spiritual plane -- although there are entities on the astral plane
(Buddhists call "hungry ghosts") that could mislead and be quite
evilly dangerous to a non adept. You can find such articles at:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ blavatsky- articles. htmt
Try this one for starters:
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/CaseOfObses sion.htm
Apparently your jumping from one mystical teaching to another and
your psychiatric breakdown experience are signs that should not be
ignored before your next Astral experience, unsolicited visions, or
uncontrolled kundalini awakening causes irrevocable damage... (That,
incidentally, could be especially dangerous if you have ever or are
now using psychoactive drugs.)
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 13, 2009, at 5/13/097:28 AM, Antonio/Tony None wrote:
Hi Leon,
I overstand your stance and your world views for a future based on
no rules. I feel this is commendable and eventually will become a
reality. Before this occurs the chaos in the world needs to be
addressed. I feel that the worlds choas needs to be drawn to one
central point and at that moment when the world awakens to the true
realisation will that point be destroyed and thus allow humanity to
move forward void of negative emotion. Fear surrounding the new
world orders plan is natural but the fact remains the freternal
brotherhood do exist and they do have an agenda to centralise all
power to one operating body. This is a very worrying and yet
exciting propesition. As head of this order, Maitreya will change
both internally and externally the processes by which we as humans
operate. From re-education, to the eradication of weapons. To
sharing with one another as a spiritual rush and taking the
monetary system totally out of the equation. The fact that
Maitrey may come to us via music is not something that should be
dismissed. God's biggest gift to Lucifer was music. My album will
be different and will totally challange spiritual concepts in our
reality but that will also be down to peoples interpretation.
People like yourself unwilling to accept such a movement as being
anything other than genuine and devinly inspired. You are the
people i need to reach most, the lost ones in the dark, searching
for the light, hoping for one day to realese the devil from within
you. Armegeddon is as much an inward battle as a world
transformation. It is ultimatly about vanquishing the evils from
within and emerging evolved into a connected higher state of
consciousness. If you fail to take this change on board your evils
will overwhelm and overcome you and evetually destroy you. So i
hope and pray that when you receive my words and my music that you
look on it with an open heart and you see the true intentions. The
intent to change a dying world through that one binding universal
truth. Love.
Peace and blessings
Antonio
--- On Wed, 13/5/09, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com> wrote:
From: Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ aol. com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009, 12:36 AM
Since the Masters knew what problems resulted from the
revealing of
their names by their first messenger (HPB) -- do you think they (or
their successors) would make the same mistake again when the new
messenger begins the new mission?
And, by all the rules set down by the Masters (and promulgated
through HPB) -- wouldn't the actual work on that mission have to
begin in I975 by someone already mature in the practical ways of the
modern world, fully educated and experienced in ALL the fine and
applied arts of current science, engineering and all levels of high
technology communication -- while also being fully indoctrinated
with
the theosophical teachings -- to at least the beginning of adeptship
-- as was HPB when she began her mission in 1875?
And, wouldn't all the occult powers -- that also attracted hordes of
superficial sycophants and resulted in many fraudulent copycats
during and after HPB's time -- be intentionally withheld from their
new agent (such as the power of foresight and other siddhis was
withheld from HPB)?
Obviously, of course, none of the present Masters would ever reveal
themselves, personally, or allow their messenger to expose their
names this time around. There would also no longer be a need to
attract members to the teachings through an organization, or to a
notorious personality. .. Since all that now matters would be to
prove the theosophical teachings beyond a shadow of a doubt, free
each human to be their own judge and master, as well as discredit
all
forms of organized religion based on supernatural causation,
personal
Gods, vicarious atonement and living messiahs.
.
Think about all that, and try to imagine anyone in the Theosophical
Society, or appointed by its leaders, being in a position to fill
that role... Especially, anyone who is not fully indoctrinated into
the entire secret doctrine -- as thoroughly taught by HPB in ALL her
writings.
Didn't William Q. Judge say that there were only three books
necessary to fully comprehend theosophy -- which were, the Secret
Doctrine, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali?
(Is it any wonder, then, why he transliterated all three -- along
with their detailed commentaries and answers to questions?)
Isn't it, then, also obvious why the real identity of the messenger
could not be revealed until the actual scientific "proof" of the
Secret Doctrine metaphysics actually shows up in the scientific
journals and the mass media, and becomes worldwide public knowledge?
And, even then, the true messenger will not be known, since the
accredited, peer reviewable physicists who win the prize for such a
proof will never acknowledge who or what inspired them -- (as
Einstein never would think of giving credit to HPB for his
theories.;-) See:
http://leonmaurer. info/einstein. html
Only, then, will all true theosophists recognize the new teachings
(with no need to make the retired messenger their leader) and rally
together as true "companions" to form the nucleus of the "universal
brotherhood" ... That, by their example, teaches the rest of the
world
the true meaning and practice of the Heart Doctrine of theosophy as
the basis of *true* democratic government.. . With no need of a
messiah and his hierarchical leadership, New World Order police
state
governments, personal gods, priests, or religious organizations.
Thus, anyone who claims to be the new messenger, world teacher,
messiah, returned Christ, Maitreya, etc., before (or after) that
time, would necessarily be an impostor (or false prophet). And, the
biggest joke of all is the delusional idea that the "new message"
will be in the form of a musical album, sung by the messiah
himself ;-)
So, let's stop this endless speculative nonsense, and knuckle
down to
learning and teaching pure theosophy -- so we'll all be ready when
that "new message" shows up... And, afterward, have no need for
organizations or leaders to tell us how to act (as one) in whatever
way is necessary to turn this world back into the paradise it was
meant to be.
Best wishes,
Leon Maurer
On May 11, 2009, at 5/11/099:55 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
Does this mean that the person was born in 1975 - which would now
make him 35 years old or that in 1975 his mission began?
Cass
____________ _________ _________ __
From: danielhcaldwell <danielhcaldwell@ yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009 3:25:00 AM
Subject: Theos-World Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of
Truth"?
Was Alice Bailey "the New Torch-Bearer of Truth"?
Alice Bailey claimed that "her teachings came from the same Occult
Brotherhood that taught HP Blavatsky . . . . Bailey's guide
professed to be the same Djual Khool that was one of HPB's
teachers. Bailey also declared that her guru was the same Master
Koot Hoomi that Blavatsky knew."
Many Bailey students have quoted the following passage from
H.P.B.'s pen in supporting the claim that Alice Bailey was the
expected new messenger of the Masters in the 20th century:
"In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final
and irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-
Vidya; and that . . . the source of all religions and
philosophies . . . has been for many ages forgotten and lost to
men, but is at last found." S.D., 1888, Vol I, p. xxxviii (original
edition)
But Students should compare this 1888 statement with the following
two passages from HPB's pen. The first extract was written in
December 1888 and the second one dates from the middle of 1889.
The first passage reads:
"Let every member [of the Esoteric Section] know . . . that the
time for such priceless acquisition is limited. The writer of the
present is old; her life is well-nigh worn out, and she may be
summoned 'home' any day and almost any hour. And if her place is
even filled up, perchance by another worthier and more learned than
herself, still there remain but twelve years to the last hour of
the term - namely, till December the 31st, 1899. Those who will not
have profited by the opportunity (given to the world in every last
quarter of a century), those who will not have reached a certain
point of psychic and spiritual development, or that point from
which begins the cycle of adeptship, by that day - those will
advance no further than the knowledge already acquired. No Master
of Wisdom from the East will appear or send any one to Europe or
America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce
every chance
of advancement in their present incarnation - until the year 1975.
Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga - the Black Age - and the
restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will
expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable. " HPB's Collected
Writings, Vol XII, pp. 491-492. Italics added.
The second passage is as follows:
". . .during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is
made by those 'Masters' . . . to help on the spiritual progress of
Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each
century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of
spirituality - or call it mysticism if you prefer - has taken
place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their
agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and
teaching has been given out . . . . .If the present attempt, in the
form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have
done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and
healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the XXth
century. The general condition of men's minds and hearts will have
been improved and purified by the spread of its teachings . . . .
but besides a large
and accessible literature ready to men's hands, the next impulse
will find a numerous and united body of people ready to welcome the
new torch-bearer of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared
for his message, a language ready for him in which to clothe the
new truths he brings, an organization awaiting his arrival . . . ."
The Key to Theosophy, pp. 306-7. Italics added.
The three passages taken together indicate that HPB was referring
to an emissary of the Masters coming in 1975 or later. These
statements by HPB would seem to rule out the messenger being Alice
Bailey or many other claimants. For a list of such claimants, see:
http://blavatskyarc hives.com/ latermessengers. htm#six
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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