Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00322)

Pearls of wisdom. I never thought of the latter.

MKR


On 4/22/09, Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, they certainly use character for target practice. One thing I
> learned hanging around Olcott was never to lose an election!
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
>
> In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:24:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> silva_cass@yahoo.com <silva_cass%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> yeah I know, it was my feeble attempt at humour!
> Cass
>
> ________________________________
> From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp <_Drpsionic%40aol.Drp>_ (mailto:
> Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com>) "
> <_Drpsionic@aol.Drp <_Drpsionic%40aol.Drp>_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com<Drpsionic%40aol.com>)
> >
> To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>)
>
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009 2:41:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ??? online communication
>
> I meant physical assassination!
>
> (though there were some allegations of poisonings a while ago but that
> could simply have been a result of the quality of the cooking at Adyar.)
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2009 9:10:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
>
> oops you're wrong - as an observer I see
> much character assassination in the TS
>
> Cass
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: "_Drpsionic@From: "_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. From: "_Drpsioni
> <_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic>
> To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009 1:04:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ??? online communication
>
> I think it is not merely communication. Of course things have changed
> since
> my mother was young back in the days of King Arthur when the monk would
> write the message on a little piece of parchment, give it to Robin Hood
> who
> would then put it on an arrow and shoot it and the person for whom it was
> intended would pull the arrow out of whomever it stuck in, take the
> message
> to another monk who would then read it.
>
> Politics in the TS has always been dirty. In fact it has usually been so
> Byzantine that Emperor Justinian may have created it. We've had everything
> except assassination and how the TS has managed to avoid that never ceases
> to amaze me.
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
> In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mkr777@gmail. com writes:
>
> Hello, everyone. Nice to see Katinka share her views. I would like to add a
> few facts.
>
> The simplest Internet application is email. These days a lot of people
> including older and middle aged folks in the West use it to keep in touch
> with their family and friends. If one can type with two fingers, one can
> write a msg and email it. Age is not a barrier. My mother learnt how to
> send
> email when she was 80 years of age. (She was born and grew up in India.)
> She
> quit sending email only when her eye sight became bad.
>
> During the last one year, a lot of significant events have taken place in
> TS. Except a few well known members, no one has come out on the Internet
> with any views on the events. This is very significant.
>
> The comment about Krotona simply highlights the fact that the cream of the
> dedicated, knowledgeable and experienced theosophists who are deeply
> committed to theosophy and TS have kept silent on the events. Ordinary
> members especially the rookies (newbees) find this totally perplexing
> because there is a severe disconnect between what they hear of basic
> theosophical ideas and what they see in action.
>
> All some of us can do is to do is go to the top of the tower and shout that
> the house is on fire. Hope some one hears.
>
> MKR
>
> There is no religion higher than truth
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Katinka Hesselink <
> _mail@katinkahessel imail@k_ (mailto:mail@ _mail@katinkahes sel imail@k>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think a lot of the current confusion is due to the fact that the old
> > hands at Krotona (and in Wheaton & in Adyar) just don't know what to do
> with
> > the new media which are used to spread information and misinformation,
> > innuendo and fact.
> >
> > I was talking with my mother just this morning about this. She is used to
> > the slow communication methods of her youth. Getting used to students who
> > rap out a fast reply to just about any question is hard for her.
> Similarly
> > our leaders are in a position that is hardly enviable: the internet and
> > e-mail are used to spread ideas, thoughts, opinions - but the habits of
> how
> > to respond to them have not been formed. With the result that people
> decide
> > on what used to be the best response to many problems: just let it blow
> > past. Giving energy to something will only strengthen it, after all.
> >
> > Or in other words 'if you have nothing to say that would contribute,
> hold
> > your tongue'. But, as both writers below have noticed, this no longer
> works
> > in the same way. And another saying becomes pertinent: 'inaction in a
> deed
> > of mercy is a deadly sin' (mahatma quote I think).
> >
> > I'm not saying it is a deadly sin. I'm saying that we are in the midst
> of a
> > culture learning to deal with a new technology that is changing the way
> we
> > communicate. And the people at the top are called on to learn to deal
> with
> > them while in the spotlight. It's not surprising they are making serious
> > mistakes while doing so - because it takes another way of dealing with
> > emotions than they grew up with.
> >
> > So I'm not surprised at not having heard from Krotona. I'm not sure I
> blame
> > them either.
> >
> > There's a digital divide here - and some are crossing it with skill,
> others
> > without - and some are simply not crossing it at all. It really is too
> much
> > to expect people in their eighties to do more than observe what's going
> on
> > online.
> >
> > Katinka Hesselink
> > ___http://www.allconsi_ (http://www.allconsi/) _ (_http://www.allconsi_
> (http://www.allconsi/) /) __http://www.__ (http://www._/)
> (_http://www./_ (http://www./) ) _ (__http://www.allconsi_
> (http://www.allconsi/) _ (_http://www.allconsi_ (http://www.allconsi/) /)
> dering.com/)
> > ___http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/) _ (_http://www.katinkah_
> (http://www.katinkah/) /) __http://wwhttp__ (http://wwhttp_/) _
> (_http://wwhttp__ (http://wwhttp_/) /) (__http://www.katinkah_
> (http://www.katinkah/) _ (_http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/) /)
> esselink.
> net/)
> > ___http://www.overpein_ (http://www.overpein/) _ (_http://www.overpein_
> (http://www.overpein/) /) __http://ww___ (http://ww__/) (_http://ww_/_
> (http://ww_/) )
> (__http://www.overpein_ (http://www.overpein/) _ (_http://www.overpein_
> (http://www.overpein/) /) zende.nl/)
> >
> > --- In _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- --- In _theos-talk@
> ya
> <theos-talk% theos-talk% <WBthe>,
> > "t_s_theosophist" <THEOSOPHIST@ THE> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ???
> > >
> > >
> > > It certainly takes no degree of clairvoyance to realize that a certain
> > group of General Secretaries, labeled "The Quartet" has been playing
> "Dirty
> > Politics." Anyone with a Clear and Perceptive Mind can see this.
> > >
> > >
> > > First....An attempt to depict Radha Burnier as physically & mentally
> > unfit to hold office, contrary to the medical evidence of three reputable
> > physicans.
> > >
> > >
> > > Second...A clandestine attempt to dis-enfranchise T.S. members from
> > voting.
> > >
> > >
> > > Third...An untrue and unwarranted attack on the veracity of the Indian
> > Section, with no evidence to substantiate the allegations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fourth ...An attempt to disrupt the business of the General Council
> > meeting.
> > >
> > >
> > > And Now a passive/agressive promotion to bias the membership against
> > Adyar.
> > >
> > >
> > > In the note below, M.K. Ramadoss raises a profound question which is
> on
> > the minds of not only many Theosophists but also the internet public at
> > large.
> > >
> > >
> > > I would also add: What is the Karma of Silence when confronted with the
> > Sinister and unmoral activity that The "Quartet" has been and continues
> to
> > promote?
> > >
> > >
> > > Fraternaly;
> > >
> > > William Delahunt
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ ----<WBR> -
> > >
> > >
> > > M.K. RAMADOSS COMMENTS:
> > >
> > >
> > > From what I understand, Krotona residents are long-time dedicated
> members
> > of TS and I am also told that they are also members of esoteric section.
> > >
> > >
> > > Many of the residents are past and present theosophical leaders,
> > lecturers and writers. So, rookie members assume that the cream of wisdom
> > resides there.
> > >
> > >
> > > For ordinary members who have been following the events since the
> > beginning of the international election last year, the silence of
> members at
> > Krotona is a real puzzle.
> > >
> > >
> > > There was the spreading of the untruth about Radha Burnier's health by
> > some leaders world-wide. Even after this untruth was proven false, the
> > leaders took no action to fix their earlier allegations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Then came the unproven allegations of procedural errors in the
> election
> > in India.
> > >
> > >
> > > Final bombshell was the ultra secret attempt to seize control of
> > presidency by disenfranchising members world-wide, which was fortunately
> > discovered in time and broadcast over Internet and TS was saved from a
> > disaster.
> > >
> > >
> > > During all of the above, we did not hear a single word of protest
> against
> > any of the above from any of the leaders " past and present" residing at
> > Krotona.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is the above behaviour a reflection of the fear of the consequences of
> > calling a spade a spade or they do not see what was going on?
> > >
> > >
> > > We have read in the historical accounts, men and women losing even
> their
> > lives in their
> > > fight for Truth. Are we seeing the real effects of Kali Yuga?
> > >
> > >
> > > Rookie and ordinary members are really perplexed.
> > >
> > >
> > > M.K. Ramadoss
> > >
> > > There is no religion higher than truth
> > >
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