Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00319)

Well, they certainly use character for target practice.  One thing I  
learned hanging around Olcott was never to lose an election!
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 4/22/2009 8:24:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


yeah I know, it was my feeble attempt at  humour!
Cass

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From:  "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " 
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Wednesday, 22 April, 2009 2:41:01 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: ??? MORAL  LEADERSHIP ??? online communication

I meant physical  assassination!

(though there were some allegations of poisonings a  while ago but that 
could simply have been a result of the quality of the  cooking at Adyar.)

Chuck the Heretic

In a message dated  4/21/2009 9:10:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
silva_cass@yahoo. com  writes:

oops you're wrong - as an observer I see
much character  assassination in the TS

Cass

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From: "_Drpsionic@From: "_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. From: "_Drpsioni
<_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic>
To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To:  _theos-talk@ yahoog
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009 1:04:52 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re:  ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ??? online communication

I think it is not merely  communication. Of course things have changed 
since 
my mother was young  back in the days of King Arthur when the monk would 
write the message on a  little piece of parchment, give it to Robin Hood 
who 
would then put it  on an arrow and shoot it and the person for whom it was 
intended would  pull the arrow out of whomever it stuck in, take the 
message 
to  another monk who would then read it.

Politics in the TS has always been  dirty. In fact it has usually been so 
Byzantine that Emperor Justinian may  have created it. We've had everything 
except assassination and how the TS  has managed to avoid that never ceases 
to amaze me.

Chuck the  Heretic

In a message dated 4/21/2009 3:56:21 A.M. Central Daylight  Time, 
mkr777@gmail. com writes:

Hello, everyone. Nice to see  Katinka share her views. I would like to add a
few facts.

The  simplest Internet application is email. These days a lot of  people
including older and middle aged folks in the West use it to keep in  touch
with their family and friends. If one can type with two fingers, one  can
write a msg and email it. Age is not a barrier. My mother learnt how to  
send
email when she was 80 years of age. (She was born and grew up in  India.) 
She
quit sending email only when her eye sight became  bad.

During the last one year, a lot of significant events have taken  place in
TS. Except a few well known members, no one has come out on the  Internet
with any views on the events. This is very significant.

The  comment about Krotona simply highlights the fact that the cream of  the
dedicated, knowledgeable and experienced theosophists who are  deeply
committed to theosophy and TS have kept silent on the events.  Ordinary
members especially the rookies (newbees) find this totally  perplexing
because there is a severe disconnect between what they hear of  basic
theosophical ideas and what they see in action.

All some of us  can do is to do is go to the top of the tower and shout that
the house is  on fire. Hope some one hears.

MKR

There is no religion higher  than truth

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Katinka Hesselink  <
_mail@katinkahessel imail@k_ (mailto:mail@ _mail@katinkahes sel  imail@k> 
wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I  think a lot of the current confusion is due to the fact that the old
>  hands at Krotona (and in Wheaton & in Adyar) just don't know what to do  
with
> the new media which are used to spread information and  misinformation,
> innuendo and fact.
>
> I was talking with  my mother just this morning about this. She is used to
> the slow  communication methods of her youth. Getting used to students who
> rap  out a fast reply to just about any question is hard for her.  
Similarly
> our leaders are in a position that is hardly enviable:  the internet and
> e-mail are used to spread ideas, thoughts, opinions -  but the habits of 
how
> to respond to them have not been formed.  With the result that people 
decide
> on what used to be the best  response to many problems: just let it blow
> past. Giving energy to  something will only strengthen it, after all.
>
> Or in other  words 'if you have nothing to say that would contribute, 
hold
> your  tongue'. But, as both writers below have noticed, this no longer  
works
> in the same way. And another saying becomes pertinent:  'inaction in a 
deed
> of mercy is a deadly sin' (mahatma quote I  think).
>
> I'm not saying it is a deadly sin. I'm saying that we  are in the midst 
of a
> culture learning to deal with a new  technology that is changing the way 
we
> communicate. And the people  at the top are called on to learn to deal 
with
> them while in the  spotlight. It's not surprising they are making serious
> mistakes while  doing so - because it takes another way of dealing with
> emotions than  they grew up with.
>
> So I'm not surprised at not having heard  from Krotona. I'm not sure I 
blame
> them either.
>
>  There's a digital divide here - and some are crossing it with skill,  
others
> without - and some are simply not crossing it at all. It  really is too 
much
> to expect people in their eighties to do more  than observe what's going 
on
> online.
>
> Katinka  Hesselink
> ___http://www.allconsi_ (http://www.allconsi/)  _ (_http://www.allconsi_ 
(http://www.allconsi/)   /) __http://www.__ (http://www._/)  
(_http://www./_ (http://www./) ) _ (__http://www.allconsi_ 
(http://www.allconsi/)   _ (_http://www.allconsi_ (http://www.allconsi/)  /) dering.com/) 
>  ___http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/)  _ (_http://www.katinkah_ 
(http://www.katinkah/)   /) __http://wwhttp__ (http://wwhttp_/)  _  
(_http://wwhttp__ (http://wwhttp_/)  /)  (__http://www.katinkah_ 
(http://www.katinkah/)  _ (_http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/)   /) esselink. 
net/) 
> ___http://www.overpein_ (http://www.overpein/)  _ (_http://www.overpein_ 
(http://www.overpein/)   /) __http://ww___ (http://ww__/)  (_http://ww_/_ 
(http://ww_/) ) 
(__http://www.overpein_ (http://www.overpein/)   _ (_http://www.overpein_ 
(http://www.overpein/)  /) zende.nl/)  
>
> --- In _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- --- In  _theos-talk@ 
ya
<theos-talk% theos-talk% <WBthe>,
>  "t_s_theosophist" <THEOSOPHIST@ THE> wrote:
> >
>  >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  > ??? MORAL LEADERSHIP ???
> >
> >
> > It  certainly takes no degree of clairvoyance to realize that a certain
>  group of General Secretaries, labeled "The Quartet" has been playing  
"Dirty
> Politics." Anyone with a Clear and Perceptive Mind can see  this.
> >
> >
> > First....An attempt to depict  Radha Burnier as physically & mentally
> unfit to hold office,  contrary to the medical evidence of three reputable
> physicans.
>  >
> >
> > Second...A clandestine attempt to  dis-enfranchise T.S. members from
> voting.
> >
>  >
> > Third...An untrue and unwarranted attack on the veracity of  the Indian
> Section, with no evidence to substantiate the  allegations.
> >
> >
> > Fourth ...An attempt to  disrupt the business of the General Council
> meeting.
>  >
> >
> > And Now a passive/agressive promotion to bias  the membership against
> Adyar.
> >
> >
> >  In the note below, M.K. Ramadoss raises a profound question which is  
on
> the minds of not only many Theosophists but also the internet  public at
> large.
> >
> >
> > I would also  add: What is the Karma of Silence when confronted with the
> Sinister  and unmoral activity that The "Quartet" has been and continues 
to
>  promote?
> >
> >
> > Fraternaly;
>  >
> > William Delahunt
> >
> >
> >  ------------ ----<WBR> -
> >
> >
> > M.K.  RAMADOSS COMMENTS:
> >
> >
> > From what I  understand, Krotona residents are long-time dedicated 
members
> of  TS and I am also told that they are also members of esoteric section.
>  >
> >
> > Many of the residents are past and present  theosophical leaders,
> lecturers and writers. So, rookie members assume  that the cream of wisdom
> resides there.
> >
>  >
> > For ordinary members who have been following the events  since the
> beginning of the international election last year, the  silence of 
members at
> Krotona is a real puzzle.
>  >
> >
> > There was the spreading of the untruth about  Radha Burnier's health by
> some leaders world-wide. Even after this  untruth was proven false, the
> leaders took no action to fix their  earlier allegations.
> >
> >
> > Then came the  unproven allegations of procedural errors in the 
election
> in  India.
> >
> >
> > Final bombshell was the ultra  secret attempt to seize control of
> presidency by disenfranchising  members world-wide, which was fortunately
> discovered in time and  broadcast over Internet and TS was saved from a
> disaster.
>  >
> >
> > During all of the above, we did not hear a  single word of protest 
against
> any of the above from any of the  leaders " past and present" residing at
> Krotona.
> >
>  >
> > Is the above behaviour a reflection of the fear of the  consequences of
> calling a spade a spade or they do not see what was  going on?
> >
> >
> > We have read in the  historical accounts, men and women losing even 
their
> lives in  their
> > fight for Truth. Are we seeing the real effects of Kali  Yuga?
> >
> >
> > Rookie and ordinary members are  really perplexed.
> >
> >
> > M.K. Ramadoss
>  >
> > There is no religion higher than truth
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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