Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00230)

Morten and all, 
Was looking for a chance to post this finding about the current conditions of the Brahmin caste in India today. I was quite amazed by what I read. 

Brahmins in India Have Become a Minority 

>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xgc4ljHKM&feature=related<<< 

Maoist Guerrillas Kill 18 in the First Day of Indian Election 

>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/16/india-election-18-killed<<< 

Wonder why none of this kind of news appears in our news here? 

Regards, 
John 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:50:15 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 








And that made his task towards people in India more easy? 

M. Sufilight 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: MKR 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 

Founder President. 

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen < 
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk > wrote: 

> 
> 
> Yes. But, unique in what manner, if I friendly may ask? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: MKR 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:59 AM 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 
> 
> Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for 
> life. 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen < 
> global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > You have some good points there Anand. 
> > But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the 
> > difference was? 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anand 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk% 
> 40yahoogroups.com> 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM 
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 
> > 
> > India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion 
> > population. India has second largest population in the world. You need to 
> > consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population 
> of 
> > the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not very 
> > different from other countries. 
> > But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That 
> > means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to win 
> > substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are 
> not 
> > going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to 
> become 
> > popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming 
> > President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in 
> India. 
> > Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them. 
> Most 
> > powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi. 
> She 
> > is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted 
> > foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important thing 
> to 
> > be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from 
> > Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and 
> votes 
> > among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for 
> Theosophy. 
> > If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then 
> Indian 
> > member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President. 
> > Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be 
> > outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had 
> exceptional 
> > inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not 
> going 
> > to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will see 
> > inner development. 
> > That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he 
> must 
> > live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian 
> members 
> > and become President of TS. 
> > Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and 
> are 
> > willing to live in India for decades? 
> > The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things 
> will 
> > work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense. 
> > Best 
> > Anand Gholap 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk% 
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR 
> > <mkr777@...> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York. HPB 
> > > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and the 
> > two 
> > > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was 
> > > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They left 
> > for 
> > > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of the 
> > > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone 
> who 
> > > grew up in the West. 
> > > 
> > > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of the 
> > great 
> > > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did 
> not 
> > > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that 
> HPB 
> > > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future. 
> > > 
> > > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world headquarters 
> > in 
> > > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when 
> > Annie 
> > > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was progressing. 
> > > 
> > > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a 
> Pathless 
> > Land 
> > > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic foundation 
> > that 
> > > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought 
> the 
> > > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may 
> > dispute 
> > > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One indication 
> > that 
> > > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS 
> > > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos. 
> > > 
> > > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the world 
> > has 
> > > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has 
> > shown 
> > > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On the 
> > > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been 
> stagnant 
> > or 
> > > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything 
> will 
> > > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to 
> substantiate 
> > > this. 
> > > 
> > > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact is 
> a 
> > > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision to 
> > move 
> > > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who 
> > > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support 
> from 
> > > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in 
> India, 
> > no 
> > > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India 
> is 
> > > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to 
> belittle 
> > Adyar 
> > > as a token site of TS. 
> > > 
> > > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election last 
> > year. 
> > > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to members 
> > > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting 
> > president 
> > > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt to 
> > > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership in 
> > > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside 
> India 
> > > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come. 
> > Compounding 
> > > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by 
> > > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of 
> future 
> > > presidents by a handful of GC members. 
> > > 
> > > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet in 
> > > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the coup 
> > > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS. 
> > > 
> > > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of the 
> > > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea. 
> > > 
> > > MKR 
> > > 
> > > There is no religion higher than truth 
> > > 
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