Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00231)

Thanks.
I will tell you, that The numbers in the video were worse than I expected for the Kashmir valley. I had heard that the Brahmins was on a decline, but not that much in the Kashmir regoin. It surprised me a bit.

Yet caste is not the most important issue to me and our visdom teachings.

Education is important. I have heard that the education system in India is very good, provided of course that the childrens are able to get educated.

I heard som months back that Vedanta and especially the Adwaita version was flourishing in India.




M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Off Topic - Brahmins in India Today





  Morten and all, 
  Was looking for a chance to post this finding about the current conditions of the Brahmin caste in India today. I was quite amazed by what I read. 

  Brahmins in India Have Become a Minority 

  >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xgc4ljHKM&feature=related<<< 

  Maoist Guerrillas Kill 18 in the First Day of Indian Election 

  >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/16/india-election-18-killed<<< 

  Wonder why none of this kind of news appears in our news here? 

  Regards, 
  John 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:50:15 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 

  And that made his task towards people in India more easy? 

  M. Sufilight 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:30 PM 
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 

  Founder President. 

  On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen < 
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk > wrote: 

  > 
  > 
  > Yes. But, unique in what manner, if I friendly may ask? 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: MKR 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> 
  > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:59 AM 
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 
  > 
  > Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for 
  > life. 
  > 
  > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen < 
  > global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote: 
  > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > You have some good points there Anand. 
  > > But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the 
  > > difference was? 
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: Anand 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk% 
  > 40yahoogroups.com> 
  > > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM 
  > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status 
  > > 
  > > India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion 
  > > population. India has second largest population in the world. You need to 
  > > consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population 
  > of 
  > > the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not very 
  > > different from other countries. 
  > > But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That 
  > > means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to win 
  > > substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are 
  > not 
  > > going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to 
  > become 
  > > popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming 
  > > President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in 
  > India. 
  > > Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them. 
  > Most 
  > > powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi. 
  > She 
  > > is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted 
  > > foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important thing 
  > to 
  > > be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from 
  > > Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and 
  > votes 
  > > among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for 
  > Theosophy. 
  > > If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then 
  > Indian 
  > > member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President. 
  > > Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be 
  > > outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had 
  > exceptional 
  > > inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not 
  > going 
  > > to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will see 
  > > inner development. 
  > > That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he 
  > must 
  > > live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian 
  > members 
  > > and become President of TS. 
  > > Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and 
  > are 
  > > willing to live in India for decades? 
  > > The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things 
  > will 
  > > work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense. 
  > > Best 
  > > Anand Gholap 
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk% 
  > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR 
  > > <mkr777@...> wrote: 
  > > > 
  > > > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York. HPB 
  > > > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and the 
  > > two 
  > > > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was 
  > > > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They left 
  > > for 
  > > > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of the 
  > > > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone 
  > who 
  > > > grew up in the West. 
  > > > 
  > > > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of the 
  > > great 
  > > > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did 
  > not 
  > > > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that 
  > HPB 
  > > > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future. 
  > > > 
  > > > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world headquarters 
  > > in 
  > > > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when 
  > > Annie 
  > > > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was progressing. 
  > > > 
  > > > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a 
  > Pathless 
  > > Land 
  > > > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic foundation 
  > > that 
  > > > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought 
  > the 
  > > > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may 
  > > dispute 
  > > > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One indication 
  > > that 
  > > > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS 
  > > > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos. 
  > > > 
  > > > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the world 
  > > has 
  > > > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has 
  > > shown 
  > > > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On the 
  > > > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been 
  > stagnant 
  > > or 
  > > > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything 
  > will 
  > > > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to 
  > substantiate 
  > > > this. 
  > > > 
  > > > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact is 
  > a 
  > > > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision to 
  > > move 
  > > > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who 
  > > > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support 
  > from 
  > > > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in 
  > India, 
  > > no 
  > > > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India 
  > is 
  > > > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to 
  > belittle 
  > > Adyar 
  > > > as a token site of TS. 
  > > > 
  > > > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election last 
  > > year. 
  > > > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to members 
  > > > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting 
  > > president 
  > > > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt to 
  > > > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership in 
  > > > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside 
  > India 
  > > > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come. 
  > > Compounding 
  > > > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by 
  > > > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of 
  > future 
  > > > presidents by a handful of GC members. 
  > > > 
  > > > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet in 
  > > > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the coup 
  > > > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS. 
  > > > 
  > > > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of the 
  > > > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea. 
  > > > 
  > > > MKR 
  > > > 
  > > > There is no religion higher than truth 
  > > > 
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