Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00228)

I do not know.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

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> And that made his task towards people in India more easy?
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> M. Sufilight
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
>
> Founder President.
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> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
> global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote:
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> >
> > Yes. But, unique in what manner, if I friendly may ask?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MKR
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
> >
> > Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for
> > life.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
> > global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk><global-theosophy%
> 40stofanet.dk>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > You have some good points there Anand.
> > > But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the
> > > difference was?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Anand
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
> > >
> > > India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion
> > > population. India has second largest population in the world. You need
> to
> > > consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population
> > of
> > > the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not
> very
> > > different from other countries.
> > > But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That
> > > means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to
> win
> > > substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are
> > not
> > > going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to
> > become
> > > popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming
> > > President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in
> > India.
> > > Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them.
> > Most
> > > powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi.
> > She
> > > is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted
> > > foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important
> thing
> > to
> > > be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from
> > > Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and
> > votes
> > > among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for
> > Theosophy.
> > > If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then
> > Indian
> > > member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President.
> > > Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be
> > > outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had
> > exceptional
> > > inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not
> > going
> > > to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will
> see
> > > inner development.
> > > That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he
> > must
> > > live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian
> > members
> > > and become President of TS.
> > > Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and
> > are
> > > willing to live in India for decades?
> > > The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things
> > will
> > > work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense.
> > > Best
> > > Anand Gholap
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York.
> HPB
> > > > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and
> the
> > > two
> > > > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was
> > > > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They
> left
> > > for
> > > > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of
> the
> > > > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone
> > who
> > > > grew up in the West.
> > > >
> > > > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of
> the
> > > great
> > > > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did
> > not
> > > > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that
> > HPB
> > > > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future.
> > > >
> > > > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world
> headquarters
> > > in
> > > > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when
> > > Annie
> > > > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was
> progressing.
> > > >
> > > > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a
> > Pathless
> > > Land
> > > > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic
> foundation
> > > that
> > > > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought
> > the
> > > > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may
> > > dispute
> > > > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One
> indication
> > > that
> > > > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS
> > > > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos.
> > > >
> > > > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the
> world
> > > has
> > > > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has
> > > shown
> > > > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On
> the
> > > > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been
> > stagnant
> > > or
> > > > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything
> > will
> > > > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to
> > substantiate
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact
> is
> > a
> > > > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision
> to
> > > move
> > > > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who
> > > > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support
> > from
> > > > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in
> > India,
> > > no
> > > > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India
> > is
> > > > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to
> > belittle
> > > Adyar
> > > > as a token site of TS.
> > > >
> > > > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election
> last
> > > year.
> > > > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to
> members
> > > > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting
> > > president
> > > > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt
> to
> > > > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership
> in
> > > > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside
> > India
> > > > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come.
> > > Compounding
> > > > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by
> > > > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of
> > future
> > > > presidents by a handful of GC members.
> > > >
> > > > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet
> in
> > > > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the
> coup
> > > > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS.
> > > >
> > > > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of
> the
> > > > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea.
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > > There is no religion higher than truth
> > > >
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