Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00227)

And that made his task towards people in India more easy?


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status





  Founder President.

  On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

  >
  >
  > Yes. But, unique in what manner, if I friendly may ask?
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: MKR
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:59 AM
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
  >
  > Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for
  > life.
  >
  > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
  > global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote:
  >
  > >
  > >
  > > You have some good points there Anand.
  > > But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the
  > > difference was?
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: Anand
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
  > 40yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM
  > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
  > >
  > > India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion
  > > population. India has second largest population in the world. You need to
  > > consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population
  > of
  > > the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not very
  > > different from other countries.
  > > But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That
  > > means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to win
  > > substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are
  > not
  > > going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to
  > become
  > > popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming
  > > President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in
  > India.
  > > Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them.
  > Most
  > > powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi.
  > She
  > > is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted
  > > foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important thing
  > to
  > > be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from
  > > Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and
  > votes
  > > among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for
  > Theosophy.
  > > If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then
  > Indian
  > > member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President.
  > > Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be
  > > outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had
  > exceptional
  > > inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not
  > going
  > > to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will see
  > > inner development.
  > > That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he
  > must
  > > live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian
  > members
  > > and become President of TS.
  > > Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and
  > are
  > > willing to live in India for decades?
  > > The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things
  > will
  > > work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense.
  > > Best
  > > Anand Gholap
  > >
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
  > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
  > > <mkr777@...> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York. HPB
  > > > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and the
  > > two
  > > > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was
  > > > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They left
  > > for
  > > > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of the
  > > > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone
  > who
  > > > grew up in the West.
  > > >
  > > > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of the
  > > great
  > > > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did
  > not
  > > > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that
  > HPB
  > > > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future.
  > > >
  > > > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world headquarters
  > > in
  > > > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when
  > > Annie
  > > > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was progressing.
  > > >
  > > > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a
  > Pathless
  > > Land
  > > > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic foundation
  > > that
  > > > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought
  > the
  > > > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may
  > > dispute
  > > > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One indication
  > > that
  > > > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS
  > > > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos.
  > > >
  > > > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the world
  > > has
  > > > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has
  > > shown
  > > > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On the
  > > > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been
  > stagnant
  > > or
  > > > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything
  > will
  > > > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to
  > substantiate
  > > > this.
  > > >
  > > > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact is
  > a
  > > > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision to
  > > move
  > > > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who
  > > > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support
  > from
  > > > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in
  > India,
  > > no
  > > > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India
  > is
  > > > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to
  > belittle
  > > Adyar
  > > > as a token site of TS.
  > > >
  > > > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election last
  > > year.
  > > > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to members
  > > > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting
  > > president
  > > > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt to
  > > > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership in
  > > > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside
  > India
  > > > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come.
  > > Compounding
  > > > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by
  > > > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of
  > future
  > > > presidents by a handful of GC members.
  > > >
  > > > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet in
  > > > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the coup
  > > > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS.
  > > >
  > > > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of the
  > > > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea.
  > > >
  > > > MKR
  > > >
  > > > There is no religion higher than truth
  > > >
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