Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00226)

Founder President.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

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> Yes. But, unique in what manner, if I friendly may ask?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
>
> Olcott's case is unique. He was the founder president and president for
> life.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
> global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk>> wrote:
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> >
> > You have some good points there Anand.
> > But Olcott did not live in India in many decades. So I wonder what the
> > difference was?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Anand
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:03 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Move of TS to India and current status
> >
> > India has largest membership because it is a country with 1.1 billion
> > population. India has second largest population in the world. You need to
> > consider percentage of members (number of members divided by population
> of
> > the country multiplied by 100) Percentage membership in India is not very
> > different from other countries.
> > But vast population in India means largest TS membership in India. That
> > means any person who wants to become President of TS must be able to win
> > substantial votes from Indian members. As foreigners (non-Indians) are
> not
> > going to live in India for decades, it will be difficult for them to
> become
> > popular among Indian members. It means maximum chances for becoming
> > President are for a person who lives in India and gains popularity in
> India.
> > Indians respect western people and are not against giving post to them.
> Most
> > powerful political leader in India for last many years is Sonia Gandhi.
> She
> > is Italian and yet Indians accept her as leader. Indians also accepted
> > foreigners like Olcott, Annie Besant, G.S. Arundale etc. Important thing
> to
> > be remember is these leaders lived in India and could earn respect from
> > Indian members. I think if any foreign leader has to earn respect and
> votes
> > among Indian members, he will have to live in India and work for
> Theosophy.
> > If foreign leaders are not willing to live in India for decades, then
> Indian
> > member who lives in India has maximum chances of becoming a President.
> > Also a foreigner who wants to earn respect among Indians must be
> > outstanding in his inner development. Olcott, AB, Arundale had
> exceptional
> > inner development and so they were elected by Indians. Indians are not
> going
> > to support foreigners just because he or she is foreigner. They will see
> > inner development.
> > That means a foreigner must have exceptional inner development and he
> must
> > live in India for many decades. Then he might gain votes from Indian
> members
> > and become President of TS.
> > Are there any people outside India who are exceptionally brilliant and
> are
> > willing to live in India for decades?
> > The above analysis explains dynamics of Presidential elections. Things
> will
> > work as explained above IF TS remains democratic in true sense.
> > Best
> > Anand Gholap
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > HPB was sent to the USA to find HSO and launch the TS in New York. HPB
> > > clearly stated that she was following the orders from the Lodge and the
> > two
> > > Brothers from Tibet. Both were then ordered to go to India. India was
> > > unknown to HSO and the future prospects were totally unknown. They left
> > for
> > > India because of their total trust and confidence in the wisdom of the
> > > Brothers. The life and travel in India was very difficult for someone
> who
> > > grew up in the West.
> > >
> > > HPB knew USA was the cradle of the next Root Race and was aware of the
> > great
> > > future progress of the Humanity lies in the USA. But, anyone who did
> not
> > > have an inkling of the wisdom of the Brothers would have thought that
> HPB
> > > and HSO were foolish to go India with unknown future.
> > >
> > > After transplanting TS in India and establishing the world headquarters
> > in
> > > Adyar, TS grew world-wide. The growth was rapid during the years when
> > Annie
> > > Besant was the President and the World Teacher project was progressing.
> > >
> > > After the Jiddu KrishnamurtiÃââs announcement of his Truth is a
> Pathless
> > Land
> > > message, the membership world-wide took a hit. But the basic foundation
> > that
> > > developed till then, continued to remain strong as ever even thought
> the
> > > membership numbers did not reflect the inherent strength. Many may
> > dispute
> > > this. There is no objective way to measure the strength. One indication
> > that
> > > is worth noting is that even today, world-wide, there are numerous TS
> > > members who study KrishnajiÃââs lectures and watch the videos.
> > >
> > > The issue of relevance of India to TS relative to the rest of the world
> > has
> > > come into sharp focus in the recent election. Membership in India has
> > shown
> > > steady growth from year to year during the last several decades. On the
> > > other hand, in most of the countries outside India, it has been
> stagnant
> > or
> > > on a downward slide. Of course those who find excuses for everything
> will
> > > argue the issue of quantity vs quality. There is no proof to
> substantiate
> > > this.
> > >
> > > Currently the membership in India is the largest. I think this fact is
> a
> > > significant evidence of the wisdom of the Brothers in their decision to
> > move
> > > the TS to India. A significant result of this fact is that anyone who
> > > aspires to lead the TS in the future has to have substantial support
> from
> > > the members in India. Without substantial support from members in
> India,
> > no
> > > candidate can get elected. The numerical strength of members in India
> is
> > > also a bulwark against any future administrationÃââs attempt to
> belittle
> > Adyar
> > > as a token site of TS.
> > >
> > > It is pitiful to watch the events since the start of the election last
> > year.
> > > Presenting untruthful health information about Radha Burnier to members
> > > outside India with the simple objective of defeating the sitting
> > president
> > > is unprecedented in the TS history. Also the unsubstantiated attempt to
> > > allege procedural errors in voting in India enraged most membership in
> > > India, which will make the motivation of any candidate from outside
> India
> > > highly suspect in the minds of members for a long time to come.
> > Compounding
> > > all of the above was the attempted coup to seize the presidency by
> > > disenfranchising membership world-wide and control appointment of
> future
> > > presidents by a handful of GC members.
> > >
> > > The overwhelming membership in India and the role played by Internet in
> > > demolishing the untruthful information and the distribution of the coup
> > > discovery prevented a fatal blow to the TS.
> > >
> > > I think that all of the above are an indication of the foresight of the
> > > Brothers and some may poo-poo the whole idea.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > There is no religion higher than truth
> > >
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