Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders?
Mar 26, 2009 12:09 PM
by Augoeides-222
Martin,
Never approach a sheep with a Red "X" painted on it! Lol!
Regards,
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin" <Mvandertak@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:02:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders?
Lol, with my attitude in life I find it hard to be a sheep, or be among them...
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, MKR < mkr777@gmail.com > wrote:
From: MKR < mkr777@gmail.com >
Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 5:51 PM
Organizations and politicians find it difficult to deal with people who are
independent thinkers because you cannot control them. But independent
thinking is exactly what is needed for an individual to grow. For too long,
in some theosophical circles, sheepish mentality is misconstrued to be
essential for moving towards chelaship; and many believed it, because it is
easy to be a sheep than an independent thinker.
mkr
On 3/26/09, Martin <Mvandertak@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> Frank...we are already mind controlled, our conditioning in thinking and
> living is an example of that. Most of us don't even dare to try and think
> for themselves, cuz most others will not understand you and get you locked
> up...I speak from experience.
> If nothing in this is changing fast, humanity will be fucked...
>
> --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de<ringding2009% 40t-online. de>>
> wrote:
> From: Frank Reitemeyer <ringding2009@ t-online. de<ringding2009% 40t-online. de>
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 3:59 PM
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> mkr,
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> your description of the present bad, sad situation of the TS/TM is well
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> done.
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> But it is not different from the situation of the West in general.
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> We face a mass hypnosis and mind control as never before in history.
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> We are running in big steps into a terrible marxist one world government.
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> Then there will be even more hpynosis and mind control.
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> If not a wonder happens, then there will be no need for theosophy anymore.
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> Me thought HPB wanted an international group of self directed men and women
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> who stand up and speak out.
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: MKR
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> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:27 PM
>
> Subject: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders?
>
> How much one can trust the TS leaders?
>
> Recently, a very observant theosophist mentioned in another forum that the
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> TS election issues, disenfranchisement attempt, etc has made it to wiki.
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> Today everyone looks up to wiki for any information. So the activities of
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> the leaders around the world, especially in the "West" is available for
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> everyone on the Internet to see.
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> TS in the West has a hard time recruiting and retaining members. For an
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> organization whose main object is Brotherhood and whose motto is "There is
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> No Religion Higher Than Truth", the picture that a prospective as well as
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> "on the fence" member sees it pitiful. They would wonder what is going on
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> and the leaders working for what?
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> The current situation in the West is very grave IMHO, whether we recognise
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> it or not. Coupled with it, the actions of leaders in the West during the
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> last year makes it worse. So the question in the minds of readers is How
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> much one can trust the leaders? Who would want to join an organization with
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> leaders with such a baggage which contradicts the main object and the
> motto?
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> So we have to find an answer, and find it quickly.
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> Looking at the situation as an individual with no part in the
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> administration, past or present, the root cause is the great secrecy with
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> which the Governing Council and the leaders operate. The secrecy of
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> operation is what led to the events that took place during past year and
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> more and it almost would have wrecked TS if the disenfranchisement attempt
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> succeeded. Due to the super secrecy of operation, members do not know what
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> is going on in the meetings or behind the scenes and it is almost
> impossible
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> to get any authentic information.
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> In the early days of TS, it was very transparent. Both HPB & HSO who
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> gave prime of their lives know how important transparency is. Master KH
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> warned in his 1900 and last letter, that unnecessary secrecy has killed
> many
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> organizations. No one seems to have paid much attention to it until the
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> election issues hit TS last year. Even then, it looks like no one has taken
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> quick drastic steps to bring full transparency of operations.
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> It looks like short of bringing in quick and total transparency at all
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> levels â lodge, section and international, it is going to be impossible to
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> recruit members â especially young members in this Internet Age due to the
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> low level of credibility of leaders in the West. So let us not wail or
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> complain if national sections disappear in the West in the next decades due
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> to the our incompetence to see the problems very clearly and quickly move
> to
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> fix them.
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> I hope and pray God will help us save the situation.
>
> MKR
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> There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
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