Theos-Talk Archives (March 2009 Message tt00603)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin" <Mvandertak@yahoo.com> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:26:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders? 






Frank...we are already mind controlled, our conditioning in thinking and living is an example of that. Most of us don't even dare to try and think for themselves, cuz most others will not understand you and get you locked up...I speak from experience. 
If nothing in this is changing fast, humanity will be fucked... 

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Frank Reitemeyer < ringding2009@t-online.de > wrote: 
From: Frank Reitemeyer < ringding2009@t-online.de > 
Subject: Re: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders? 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 3:59 PM 

mkr, 

your description of the present bad, sad situation of the TS/TM is well 

done. 

But it is not different from the situation of the West in general. 

We face a mass hypnosis and mind control as never before in history. 

We are running in big steps into a terrible marxist one world government. 

Then there will be even more hpynosis and mind control. 

If not a wonder happens, then there will be no need for theosophy anymore. 

Me thought HPB wanted an international group of self directed men and women 

who stand up and speak out. 

Frank 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: MKR 

To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:27 PM 

Subject: Theos-World How much one can trust the TS leaders? 

How much one can trust the TS leaders? 

Recently, a very observant theosophist mentioned in another forum that the 

TS election issues, disenfranchisement attempt, etc has made it to wiki. 

Today everyone looks up to wiki for any information. So the activities of 

the leaders around the world, especially in the "West" is available for 

everyone on the Internet to see. 

TS in the West has a hard time recruiting and retaining members. For an 

organization whose main object is Brotherhood and whose motto is "There is 

No Religion Higher Than Truth", the picture that a prospective as well as 

"on the fence" member sees it pitiful. They would wonder what is going on 

and the leaders working for what? 

The current situation in the West is very grave IMHO, whether we recognise 

it or not. Coupled with it, the actions of leaders in the West during the 

last year makes it worse. So the question in the minds of readers is How 

much one can trust the leaders? Who would want to join an organization with 

leaders with such a baggage which contradicts the main object and the motto? 

So we have to find an answer, and find it quickly. 

Looking at the situation as an individual with no part in the 

administration, past or present, the root cause is the great secrecy with 

which the Governing Council and the leaders operate. The secrecy of 

operation is what led to the events that took place during past year and 

more and it almost would have wrecked TS if the disenfranchisement attempt 

succeeded. Due to the super secrecy of operation, members do not know what 

is going on in the meetings or behind the scenes and it is almost impossible 

to get any authentic information. 

In the early days of TS, it was very transparent. Both HPB & HSO who 

gave prime of their lives know how important transparency is. Master KH 

warned in his 1900 and last letter, that unnecessary secrecy has killed many 

organizations. No one seems to have paid much attention to it until the 

election issues hit TS last year. Even then, it looks like no one has taken 

quick drastic steps to bring full transparency of operations. 

It looks like short of bringing in quick and total transparency at all 

levels â lodge, section and international, it is going to be impossible to 

recruit members â especially young members in this Internet Age due to the 

low level of credibility of leaders in the West. So let us not wail or 

complain if national sections disappear in the West in the next decades due 

to the our incompetence to see the problems very clearly and quickly move to 

fix them. 

I hope and pray God will help us save the situation. 

MKR 

There is No Religion Higher Than Truth 

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