Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00168)

She was supposed to carmelize him, but read the recipe wrong.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 1/8/2009 4:34:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Morten - you are wrong Besant did not carnalize  Jesus
Cass

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From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) >
To:  _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
Sent:  Friday, 9 January, 2009 3:58:08 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's  policy or non-policy?

Dear Pedro and friends

My views  are:

Pedro asked:
"Why not burn them in public places, with  sufficient notice given to 
those interested to attend?"

My answer  and questions:

Why especially seek to burn them all like  revolutionaries? Why not just 
simply avoid selling them?
Let each person  have their free choice in accordance with the Law of Karma. 
And let us tell  people that we do NOT promote and sell these books, and that 
we have our  reasons for not doing so. They are - perhaps and only perhaps - 
available at  our libraries alongside the books by the Spiritists, the 
Christian dogmatics  and other misleading teachings.

Can you with your compassionate heart  and conscience say to any beginner 
seeker who visits a TS Bookshop say:  
"Try this book. It is very good. It was written by one of the best  
theosophical authors of the past 150 years, and he was indeed a good and wise  man? 
Honestly Pedro, if you agree to this I will have to ask you: What planet  do you 
come from?

Pedro asked:
"As a matter of fact, why stop at  
Leadbeater's books? Why not include Besant's, Arundale's,  
Jinarajadasa' s, Sri Ram's, Taimni's and perhaps many others?"

My  answer and question:
Each authors books and literary output have to valued  in the face of their 
contents and whether the individual author stands as a  disgrace to the 
theosophical teachings. H. P. Blavatsky clearly spake out  against selling all kind 
of books. And TS Adyar are not selling all kind of  books. 

Today we theosophists are faced with numerous websites bashing  the 
theosophical teachings because of C. W. Leadbeaters misconduct and the  promotion of a 
Messiah only 3 years after he were thrown out of the  Society.
You tell them all and tell us, that we and they ALL are wrong in  their and 
our views on C. W. Leadbeater dammaging behaviour to the TS  teachings as they 
were given by H. P. Blavatsky and Master.

I had to  start at one place, and choose CWL. And yes, maybe other authors 
books aught  to be prevented from being sold so not to damage the WISDOM 
TEACHINGS of ALL  AGES PAST. What do each of you think the Master would say if you 
just would go  on and sell all and everything. 

Remember H. P. Blavatsky for instance  recommended reading Hargrave Jennings 
book about The Rosicrucians: Their Rites  and Mysteries (1870). And she did 
well doing it. Can we say the same about C.  W. Leadbeaters books? No certainly 
not!

These are some the differences  in view Pedro.
I will avoid to promote something that damages the WISDOM  TEACHINGS of ALL 
AGES PAST.
Whereas I find that you appearntly would allow  this damage to take full 
effect in a Christian Church or something almost  similar to it?

- - -
Now, Annie Besant, C. W. Leadbeater and Alice  A. Bailey promotes the idea of 
a carnalized saviour in the flesh. They do it  by the use of pseudo-Christian 
vocabulary, I will admit that. But they DO  it.

H. P. Blavatsky spoke about against this idea of  emotionalism.
And when people will teach theosophy they aught to consider  the following 
views by H. P. Blavatsky.

H.P. Blavatsky wrote in  December 1887:

In CARNALIZING the central figure of the New Testament,  in imposing
the dogma of the Word MADE FLESH, the Latin Church sets up a  doctrine
diametrically opposed to the tenets of Buddhist and Hindu  Esotericism
and the Greek Gnosis. Therefore, there will always be an  abyss
between the East and the West, as long as neither of these  dogmas
yields. Almost 2,000 years of bloody persecution against  HERETICS
and INFIDELS by the Church looms before the Oriental nations  to
prevent them from renouncing their philosophic doctrines in favor  of
that which degrades the CHRISTOS principle. [372-373]

...the  Christians, by localizing and isolating this great Principle,
and denying  it to any other man except Jesus of Nazareth (or the
Nazar), CARNALIZE the  Christos of the Gnostics; that alone prevents
them having any point in  common with the disciples of the Archaic
Wisdom. . . . [374]

. . .  true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
Flesh. . .  .[390]

- - -

C.W. XII, p. 501-

(From the "Book of  Discipline" in the schools of "Dzyan.") 

"1. To the earnest Disciple  his Teacher takes the place of Father and 
Mother. For, whereas they gave him  his body and its faculties, its life and casual 
form, the Teacher shows him  how to develop the inner faculties for the 
acquisition of the Eternal Wisdom.  

"2. To the Disciple each Fellow-Disciple becomes a Brother and Sister,  a 
portion of himself, for his interests and aspirations are theirs, his  welfare 
interwoven with theirs, his progress helped or hindered by their  intelligence, 
morality, and behavior through the intimacy brought about by  their 
co-discipleship. 

"3. A co-disciple or associate cannot backslide  or fall out of the line 
without affecting those who stand firm through the  sympathetic tie between 
themselves and the psychical currents between them and  their Teacher. 

"4. Woe to the deserter, woe also to all who help to  bring his soul to the 
point where desertion first presents itself before his  mind's eye, as the 
lesser of two evils. Gold in the crucible is he who stands  the melting heat of 
trial, and lets only the dross be burnt out of his heart;  accursed by Karmic 
action will find himself he who throws dross into the  melting-pot of 
discipleship for the debasement of his fellow-pupil. As the  members to the body, so are 
the disciples to each other, and to the Head and  Heart which teach and 
nourish them with the life-stream of Truth. 

"5.  As the limbs defend the head and heart of the body they belong to, so 
have the  disciples to defend the head and the heart of the body they belong to 
(in this  case Theosophy) from injury." 

(From the Letter of a Master.)

"  ... and if the limbs have to defend the head and heart of their body, then 
why  not so, also, the Disciples their Teachers as representing the SCIENCE 
of  Theosophy which contains and 

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* "So shalt thou be in full  accord with all that lives; bear love to men as 
though they were thy  brother-pupils, disciples of one Teacher, the sons of 
one sweet mother." (Vide  Fragment III, in Voice of the Silence, p. 49.)
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Page  503

includes the 'head' of their privilege, the 'heart' of their  spiritual 
growth? Saith the Scripture: - 

"He who wipeth not away the  filth with which the parent's body may have been 
defiled by an enemy, neither  loves the parent nor honours himself. He who 
defendeth not the persecuted and  the helpless, who giveth not of his food to 
the starving nor draweth water  from his well for the thirsty, hath been born 
too soon in human shape.  "

_http://www.katinkah_ (http://www.katinkah/)  esselink. net/blavatsky/  
articles/ v12/y1890_ 052.htm

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message  ----- 
From: Pedro Oliveira 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent:  Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's  policy or non-policy?

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten  Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@.. .> wrote:

> So  therefore I would keep recommending: Stop selling books by C. 
W.  Leadbeater and his LLC Church.

Why not burn them in public places, with  sufficient notice given to 
those interested to attend? As a matter of  fact, why stop at 
Leadbeater's books? Why not include Besant's,  Arundale's, 
Jinarajadasa' s, Sri Ram's, Taimni's and perhaps many  others?

In view of the statemts included in it, such as the ones below,  
should not "The Secret Doctrine" be also considered as a book whose  
sale may not be allowed to go on?

"The Aryan views of the symbolism  were those of the whole Pagan 
world; the Semite interpretations emanated  from, and were pre-
eminently those of a small tribe, thus marking its  national features 
and the idiosyncratic defects that characterize many of  the Jews to 
this day - gross realism, selfishness, and sensuality. They  had made 
a bargain, through their father Jacob, with their tribal deity,  self-
exalted above all others, and a covenant that his "seed shall be as  
the dust of the earth"; and that deity could have no better image  
henceforth than that of the symbol of generation, and, as  
representation, a number and numbers." (SD, vol. II, p. 470)

"But  Phallic worship has developed only with the gradual loss of the 
keys to  the inner meaning of religious symbols; and there was a day 
when the  Israelites had beliefs as pure as the Aryans have. But now 
Judaism, built  solely on Phallic worship, has become one of the 
latest creeds in Asia,  and theologically a religion of hate and 
malice toward everyone and  everything outside themselves. Philo 
Judæus shows what was the genuine  Hebrew faith. The sacred Writings, 
he says, prescribe what we ought to do  . . . commanding us to hate 
the heathen and their laws and institutions.  They did hate Baal or 
Bacchus worship publicly, but left its worst  features to be followed 
secretly; and it is with the Talmudic Jews that  the grand symbols of 
nature were the most profaned. With them, as now  shown by the 
discovery of the key to the correct Bible reading - Geometry,  the 
fifth divine Science ("fifth" - because it is the fifth key in the  
series of the Seven Keys to the Universal esoteric language and  
symbology) was desecrated, and by them applied to conceal the most  
terrestrial and grossly sexual mysteries, wherein both Deity and  
religion were degraded." (SD, vol. II, p. 471)

On the other hand,  an easier solution would be to allow people the 
freedom to choose what  they want to read and study. Alas, this has 
always been the most difficult  path to follow, particularly for those 
bred and born with the nourishment  of the received truth.

Pedro

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