Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
Oct 26, 2008 12:31 PM
by Augoeides-222
Morten,
Thanks for your comments. BTW, I didn't know Balducci had passed on in September. sorry to see him leave our scene he was a colorful stimulating spokesman on UFO-ET. reality and he will be missed. I wonder of the Vatican will appoint another like him? BTW, if you Google "UFO Art" you will find several websites dedicated to world "Art" wherein UFO's were part of the artwork or paintings going back many centuries even before Islam and Christianity.
The Australian Aborigine's when initiating their youth take them to a certain location having a high overview and looking down they see a vast ground map that show stars and planets and the pathways between them that the star people had and which facilitated the communication with the interplanetary cultures including the Australian aborigone's.
>>> How many alien groups are known or believed, and how are they classified?<<<
Well there are a plethora of views somme researched, some only channeled. Of the researched Dr. Leonard Stringfield has a good catalogue, he was with NICAP and he has said more than a dozen different Alien types if I recall it may be more or less but he is an excellent resource. He has also published a listing of more than 50 crashed UFO recovery's giving year dates and Nation.
Google Image Listing for Dr. Leonard Stringfield
>>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dr.+leonard+stringfield&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2<<<
Dr. Richard Boylan has a website with his view and some far out there contents. ( He has an online website )
Dr. John Mack now deceased a very reputable Psychiatrist practicing at John Hopkins Hospital compiled extensive finding through his years of research involving Experiencers and what they could tell him.
In the case I was involved in there were two main types the short Grays and the Tall's which were alleged to be tall Nordic types, the grays originating from Epsilon Bootes, and the Talls originating from Epsilon Eridanes who were fleeing from the oppressions of the Grays.
BTW, Aleister Crowley had communication with a "Tall" Gray he called Awaiss and he had a drawing of this entity it can be found online.
An excellent book is "Our Ancestors Came From Outer space" by Maurice Chatelain, 1978 is an excellent work which I very much enjoyed years ago. Another excellent book "The Sirius Mystery" by Robert K. G. Temple reviews if Aliens from the star Sirius (the Nile Star of the Egyptians) visited Earth. He spent 16 years with the Dogon of Africa to access the secret legacy they were entrusted with about the multiple star system of Sirius that even our Astronomers at that time had not yet discovered. I think he has an online website.
Also the work of Trevor James Constable "Skycreatures Living UFOs", 1978 Constable investigates on a different track, he believes the UFO's are Living Creatures that live in our atmosphere and respond to Orgone energy stimulation.
There are excellent Crop Circle Websites online, it is a work in progress.
Madame Blavatsky spent a greater part of her life personally investigating directly and first hand the Phenomenal, Paranornal, Psychic, fearlessly and in prolonged depth well before she ever met the Brothers. She traveled widely alone and met and pried knowledge from Shamans and other possessors through out Asia, the Caucasus, Egypt. India and Japan. Her tales are scattered throughout her works, the collected writings, letters, etc.
Regards,
John
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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Dear friends
My views are:
Allright.
Maybe there is something worth while talking about the issue...
There is a very persistent discussion going on in various theosophical or theosophical related circles, and New Age groups etc. these days about the UFO's, crop circles and also the Disclosure Project headed by Steven M. Greer (http://www.disclosureproject.org/)
The Disclosure Project
Here is a 115 min. video on The Disclosure Project, which on can access on Steven M. Greer's homepage: http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm
Or here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218&hl=en
>>>Vatican Ufo<<<
http://jumpcut.com/view/?id=B5FD06A8251211DDAB26000423CEF5F6
>>>THE VATICAN SAYS, THAT UFO's ARE REAL - Monsignor Corrado Balducci ?<<<
"Monsignor Corrado Balducci, (born May 11, 1923 in Italy died September 20, 2008 in Italy[1]), was a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia,[2] a close friend of the pope,[3] long time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome,[2] and a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith.[2] He has written several books about the subliminal messages in rock and metal music, diabolic possessions, and extraterrestrials.[2] Monsignor Balducci often appeared on Italian TV to talk about satanism, religion, and extraterrestrials.[4]"
"Extraterrestrials
Balducci has said that extraterrestrial contact is real.[6][4][7][8][9]
In relation to the teachings of the Catholic Church, he has stressed that extraterrestrial encounters "are not demonic, they are not due to psychological impairment, and they are not a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully."[3] He denies the rumor that the Vatican follows reported incidents of extraterrestrial encounters from its Nunciatures in different countries."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrado_Balducci
>>> Vatican says aliens could exist, 13 May 2008<<<
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm
>>> A Study on evidence of Aliens in the "holy" Bible <<<
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/aliens_are_fallen_angels.html
I wonder, what the Quran have on the issue.
>>> Balducci on Italian television <<<
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=vatican+ufo&emb=0&aq=f#q=Balducci&emb=0
Part of the discussion has also to do with what will happen about this issue if USA gets a new more democratic president.
>>> Former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer - 2008<<<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
>>>The Toronto Video with Paul Hellyer, 67 min. <<<
On 9th May 2006, Victor Viggiani hosted an event in Toronto (Canada) at which Dr Steven Greer and Former Canadian Defence Minister discussed the need for the ET/UFO issue to be dealt with openly and for us to begin to think about interacting with Extraterrestrials.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8964281348675417592
>>> X-Conference 2008: Press Conference at the National Press Club, April 21 - 57 min - Apr 22, 2008 <<<
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8621923234812010811
>>> Vice-Premier Paul Hellyer, Canada - Alien Contact <<<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEUmnEVJQk&feature=related
>>> My views are <<<
The Cropcircle issue is telling me, as a fact that for the time being is real, that humanity slowly, but more rapidly than before will have to be confronted with the truth about clairvoyance, dematerialisation/materialisation, telepathy, telekinesis etc. etc.
I have to ask and consider:
The question is what will the consequence of the shift in thoughtpatterns do to people on this planet, i.e. To military groups, religious groups, power hungry persons, kids on drugs, alcholists, people with psychological problems, ordinary humans?
I think, that The Disclosure Project have its credible wellmeaning witnesses, and its crazy, fooled and other even dishonest witnesses.
What are the readers views?
How many alien groups are known or believed, and how are they classified?
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
Morten, Anton,
Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 Turkish:
Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at the bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % and it will not interfere with the Video play)
>>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was not far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
Enjoy, regards,
John
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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Dear Anton and all readers
My views are:
The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition etc.)
seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when one deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental projects.
I said in the earlier email:
Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of course wrong.
This leads to the question:
Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - forward about this quite - important issue?
(The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important because of various reasons. There are what some will call "security issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought patterns to concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, that a great percentage of this planets population - especially in western countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem quite natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries India and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as breathing the air.
As long as various governments and countries for years have been funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be of importance.
We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a level, ordinary humans cannot.
We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), hearing aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can find their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We know, that a great number of species never kill each other and that they are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Anton Rozman
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo research
>So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on the
issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible and
fanatical views or egotism?<
Dear Morten,
I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now known
that intelligence community and still more secret agencies around the
world ran several secret projects on these topics and that findings
were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to the
people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect that
they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
Best regards,
Anton
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Anton
>
>
> My views are:
>
> Anton wrote:
> "I wonder what impact has these stories on the
> American public. "
>
>
> Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
>
> Saying that no people at all in power structures like political,
military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously
considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance,
telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of
course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using
time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known as the
Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
>
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anton Rozman
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo
research
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I
don't
> see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long
time.
>
> Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing classified
> documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced
projects
> out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect of
this
> whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically change
the
> world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in
next
> years.
>
> I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time I
visit
> the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on the
> American public.
>
> Thanks,
> Anton
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Anton,
> > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy
having
> had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the USA
as
> regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I made I
used
> the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it who
> would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to
> assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists,
> Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His objective
was
> to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of the
> assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems never
> happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State of
Utah
> Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he adamantly
> refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my
dead
> body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago and
he
> is still in Office.
> >
> > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did take
> place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and
> honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did
attempt to
> find the truth about government withholding of information. Sen.
> Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the
Senate
> even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun point
when
> he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President
Jimmy
> Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the
> information made public. He was instructed he did not possess
> the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow him to
be
> briefed on what they denied they had.
> > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open
> sunshine.
> >
> > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from
> http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 40
> million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's,
> Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with a
> plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host for
the
> Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous
book "Communion."
> It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the
> extraterrestials.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > usa as regards ufo
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your views.
> >
> > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists one
> > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our
> governments
> > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to courageous
> > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really
going
> on,
> > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding
> comparing
> > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's mind
open.
> >
> > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> >
> > But, in my view, even more important message for us as
theosophists
> > in this interview is that there are going on important changes
on
> > this world and that we can largely contribute that the passage
will
> > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to solve
our
> > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and innovative
> > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Anton
> > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the UFO
> > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of it
in
> > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's in
many
> > different nations, some of which would not necessarily squash
> > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean and
> would
> > surely make public announcement.
> > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space
> > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and
Orbital
> > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that
describes
> > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru
> > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a
close
> > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in
every
> > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the Constellational
> Zodiac).
> > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. If
you
> > Google his name you will find his several websites that related
his
> > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the
Senmut
> > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he extracts
from
> > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of the
12th
> > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting study to
> show
> > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the
ancients
> > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his webpages.
> > >
> > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the
12th
> > Planet may have made close approach during the second middle
period
> > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown the
> > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the andesite
> > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of man a
> > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed
> > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th
Planets
> > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and rain of
> it's
> > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial dragon
> belching
> > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle
with
> > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and his
body
> > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis unable to
> find
> > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor satellite
the
> fled
> > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the
> catastrophe.
> > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > >
> > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview videos.
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@>
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the apes
and
> not
> > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > >
> > > > Cass
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human
embryo
> > > research
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't in
> > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and its
> > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 years...this
> could
> > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
wrote:
> > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo
> research
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > >
> > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved
legislation
> > > allowing
> > > >
> > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical
research,
> > in
> > > >
> > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > >
> > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, MPs
in
> the
> > > >
> > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and
> > > Fertilisation
> > > >
> > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129.
> > > >
> > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and could
be
> law
> > by
> > > >
> > > > November.
> > > >
> > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for months,
would
> > > also
> > > >
> > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close
genetic
> > > match
> > > >
> > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material can
help
> > > treat
> > > >
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier
access
> to
> > in-
> > > >
> > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing
requirements
> for
> > > >
> > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > >
> > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was about
> > helping
> > > >
> > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility assistance,
and
> > about
> > > >
> > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, which
> affects
> > > >
> > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > >
> > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a human
cell
> > > into
> > > >
> > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of stem
cells
> > for
> > > >
> > > > use in research into treating conditions like Alzheimer's
and
> > > >
> > > > Parkinson's.
> > > >
> > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful diseases
and
> the
> > > >
> > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in our
> > society
> > > >
> > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > >
> > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical
framework
> > that
> > > >
> > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > >
> > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the
> measures,
> > > >
> > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son
Fraser
> has
> > > >
> > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit from
> embryo
> > > >
> > > > research.
> > > >
> > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including
former
> > > >
> > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the
government
> > > this
> > > >
> > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups warned
it
> was
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > >
> > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative
Party,
> > told
> > > >
> > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised the
> > > >
> > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding between
> > humans
> > > >
> > > > and animals.
> > > >
> > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the
course of
> > > this
> > > >
> > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the
> > possibility
> > > of
> > > >
> > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she said.
> > > >
> > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all sides
that
> the
> > > >
> > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the
abortion
> > laws.
> > > >
> > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill was
the
> > > right
> > > >
> > > > time to do this.
> > > >
> > > > -AFP
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