Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00873)

Anton,
   May I  clarify for you that I wasn't a part of the Project Disclosure, I was part of making the  "STS-80 Video" public, free, without benefit of even one penny.
Regards, 
John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
Dear Morten, John,

I just checked the Disclosure Project web site and discovered that a 
meeting was already held at the UN behind the doors: 

http://www.disclosureproject.org/
/see the Latest - Ovni-USA Article ? pages 2 and 3 (jpg)/
and that information about this meeting was disclosed by Dr. Michael 
Salla.

I further searched for information on Dr. Michael Salla and find some 
interesting videos and his web site:

Dr. Michael Salla on Exopolitics
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Michael+Salla&hl=sl&emb=0#

Dr. Michael Salla's interview on Coasttocoast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUkGBV4eRU

Dr. Michael Salla's web site:
http://www.exopolitics.org/Director.htm

John, I am really glad to hear that you are involved in that 
disclosure. Thank you very much!

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> Dear friends
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Allright.
> 
> Maybe there is something worth while talking about the issue...
> 
> There is a very persistent discussion going on in various 
theosophical or theosophical related circles, and New Age groups etc. 
these days about the UFO's, crop circles and also the Disclosure 
Project headed by Steven M. Greer (http://www.disclosureproject.org/)
> 
> The Disclosure Project
> Here is a 115 min. video on The Disclosure Project, which on can 
access on Steven M. Greer's homepage: 
http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm
> Or here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-
1166743665260900218&hl=en
> 
> >>>Vatican Ufo<<<
> http://jumpcut.com/view/?id=B5FD06A8251211DDAB26000423CEF5F6
> 
> 
> 
> >>>THE VATICAN SAYS, THAT UFO's ARE REAL - Monsignor Corrado 
Balducci ?<<<
> 
> "Monsignor Corrado Balducci, (born May 11, 1923 in Italy died 
September 20, 2008 in Italy[1]), was a Roman Catholic theologian of 
the Vatican Curia,[2] a close friend of the pope,[3] long time 
exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome,[2] and a Prelate of the 
Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for 
the Propagation of the Faith.[2] He has written several books about 
the subliminal messages in rock and metal music, diabolic 
possessions, and extraterrestrials.[2] Monsignor Balducci often 
appeared on Italian TV to talk about satanism, religion, and 
extraterrestrials.[4]"
> "Extraterrestrials
> 
> Balducci has said that extraterrestrial contact is real.[6][4][7][8]
[9]
> 
> In relation to the teachings of the Catholic Church, he has 
stressed that extraterrestrial encounters "are not demonic, they are 
not due to psychological impairment, and they are not a case of 
entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied 
carefully."[3] He denies the rumor that the Vatican follows reported 
incidents of extraterrestrial encounters from its Nunciatures in 
different countries."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrado_Balducci
> 
> >>> Vatican says aliens could exist, 13 May 2008<<<
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm
> 
> >>> A Study on evidence of Aliens in the "holy" Bible <<<
> http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/aliens_are_fallen_angels.html
> 
> I wonder, what the Quran have on the issue.
> 
> >>> Balducci on Italian television <<<
> http://video.google.com/videosearch?
q=vatican+ufo&emb=0&aq=f#q=Balducci&emb=0
> 
> 
> 
> Part of the discussion has also to do with what will happen about 
this issue if USA gets a new more democratic president.
> 
> 
> >>> Former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer - 2008<<<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
> 
> >>>The Toronto Video with Paul Hellyer, 67 min. <<<
> On 9th May 2006, Victor Viggiani hosted an event in Toronto 
(Canada) at which Dr Steven Greer and Former Canadian Defence 
Minister discussed the need for the ET/UFO issue to be dealt with 
openly and for us to begin to think about interacting with 
Extraterrestrials. 
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8964281348675417592
> 
> >>> X-Conference 2008: Press Conference at the National Press Club, 
April 21 - 57 min - Apr 22, 2008 <<<
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8621923234812010811
> 
> 
> >>> Vice-Premier Paul Hellyer, Canada - Alien Contact <<<
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEUmnEVJQk&feature=related
> 
> 
> >>> My views are <<<
> The Cropcircle issue is telling me, as a fact that for the time 
being is real, that humanity slowly, but more rapidly than before 
will have to be confronted with the truth about clairvoyance, 
dematerialisation/materialisation, telepathy, telekinesis etc. etc.
> 
> I have to ask and consider:
> The question is what will the consequence of the shift in 
thoughtpatterns do to people on this planet, i.e. To military groups, 
religious groups, power hungry persons, kids on drugs, alcholists, 
people with psychological problems, ordinary humans?
> 
> I think, that The Disclosure Project have its credible wellmeaning 
witnesses, and its crazy, fooled and other even dishonest witnesses.
> 
> 
> What are the readers views?
> How many alien groups are known or believed, and how are they 
classified?
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@... 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> 
> Morten, Anton,
> Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's and 
such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here post 
three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 Turkish:
> 
> Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> 
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> 
> Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at 
the bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % 
and it will not interfere with the Video play)
> 
> >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> 
> Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was 
not far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> 
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> 
> Enjoy, regards,
> John
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> 
> Dear Anton and all readers
> 
> My views are:
> 
> The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
precognition etc.) 
> seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when one 
deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental projects.
> 
> I said in the earlier email:
> Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, 
military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously 
considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance, 
telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of 
course wrong.
> 
> This leads to the question: 
> Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - 
forward about this quite - important issue?
> (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important 
because of various reasons. There are what some will call "security 
issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought patterns to 
concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if 
this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, that a 
great percentage of this planets population - especially in western 
countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem quite 
natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries India 
and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as 
breathing the air.
> 
> As long as various governments and countries for years have been 
funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be of 
importance.
> We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a level, 
ordinary humans cannot.
> We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), hearing 
aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can find 
their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We know, 
that a great number of species never kill each other and that they 
are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Anton Rozman 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on the 
> issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible 
and 
> fanatical views or egotism?<
> 
> Dear Morten, 
> 
> I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now known 
> that intelligence community and still more secret agencies around 
the 
> world ran several secret projects on these topics and that 
findings 
> were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to 
the 
> people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect 
that 
> they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> 
> Best regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Dear Anton
> > 
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Anton wrote:
> > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > American public. "
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > 
> > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
political, 
> military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
seriously 
> considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
(clairvoyance, 
> telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is 
of 
> course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using 
> time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known as 
the 
> Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I 
> don't 
> > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long 
> time. 
> > 
> > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing classified 
> > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced 
> projects 
> > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect of 
> this 
> > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically change 
> the 
> > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in 
> next 
> > years.
> > 
> > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time I 
> visit 
> > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > American public. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Anton,
> > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> having 
> > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the 
USA 
> as 
> > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I made 
I 
> used 
> > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it 
who 
> > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to 
> > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His objective 
> was 
> > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of 
the 
> > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems never 
> > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State 
of 
> Utah 
> > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he adamantly 
> > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my 
> dead 
> > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago 
and 
> he 
> > is still in Office.
> > > 
> > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did 
take 
> > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and 
> > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> attempt to 
> > find the truth about government withholding of information. 
Sen. 
> > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the 
> Senate 
> > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun point 
> when 
> > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President 
> Jimmy 
> > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess 
> > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow him 
to 
> be 
> > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open 
> > sunshine. 
> > > 
> > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from 
> > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 40 
> > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, 
> > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with a 
> > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host for 
> the 
> > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> book "Communion." 
> > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > extraterrestials.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > usa as regards ufo
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > Hi John,
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > 
> > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists 
one 
> > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > governments 
> > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to courageous 
> > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really 
> going 
> > on, 
> > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding 
> > comparing 
> > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's 
mind 
> open.
> > > 
> > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > 
> > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> theosophists 
> > > in this interview is that there are going on important 
changes 
> on 
> > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the 
passage 
> will 
> > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to 
solve 
> our 
> > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and 
innovative 
> > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > 
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anton
> > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the 
UFO 
> > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of it 
> in 
> > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's in 
> many 
> > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily squash 
> > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean 
and 
> > would 
> > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and 
> Orbital 
> > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> describes 
> > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
> > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a 
> close 
> > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in 
> every 
> > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the Constellational 
> > Zodiac). 
> > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. If 
> you 
> > > Google his name you will find his several websites that 
related 
> his 
> > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> Senmut 
> > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he 
extracts 
> from 
> > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of 
the 
> 12th 
> > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting study 
to 
> > show 
> > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> ancients 
> > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his webpages.
> > > > 
> > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 
> 12th 
> > > Planet may have made close approach during the second middle 
> period 
> > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown 
the 
> > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the 
andesite 
> > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of man 
a 
> > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
> > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th 
> Planets 
> > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and rain 
of 
> > it's 
> > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial dragon 
> > belching 
> > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle 
> with 
> > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and 
his 
> body 
> > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis unable 
to 
> > find 
> > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor satellite 
> the 
> > fled 
> > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > catastrophe. 
> > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, 
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview videos.
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the apes 
> and 
> > not 
> > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cass
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> embryo 
> > > > research
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't in 
> > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and its 
> > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 
years...this 
> > could 
> > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au> 
> wrote:
> > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > 
> > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> legislation 
> > > > allowing 
> > > > > 
> > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> research, 
> > > in 
> > > > > 
> > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, 
MPs 
> in 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
> > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and could 
> be 
> > law 
> > > by 
> > > > > 
> > > > > November.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for months, 
> would 
> > > > also 
> > > > > 
> > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close 
> genetic 
> > > > match 
> > > > > 
> > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material 
can 
> help 
> > > > treat 
> > > > > 
> > > > > them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier 
> access 
> > to 
> > > in-
> > > > > 
> > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> requirements 
> > for 
> > > > > 
> > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was 
about 
> > > helping 
> > > > > 
> > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility assistance, 
> and 
> > > about 
> > > > > 
> > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, which 
> > affects 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a 
human 
> cell 
> > > > into 
> > > > > 
> > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of stem 
> cells 
> > > for 
> > > > > 
> > > > > use in research into treating conditions like Alzheimer's 
> and 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful diseases 
> and 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in 
our 
> > > society 
> > > > > 
> > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> framework 
> > > that 
> > > > > 
> > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the 
> > measures, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> Fraser 
> > has 
> > > > > 
> > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit 
from 
> > embryo 
> > > > > 
> > > > > research.
> > > > > 
> > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including 
> former 
> > > > > 
> > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> government 
> > > > this 
> > > > > 
> > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups warned 
> it 
> > was 
> > > > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative 
> Party, 
> > > told 
> > > > > 
> > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised 
the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding 
between 
> > > humans 
> > > > > 
> > > > > and animals.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> course of 
> > > > this 
> > > > > 
> > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
> > > possibility 
> > > > of 
> > > > > 
> > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she said.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all sides 
> that 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> abortion 
> > > laws. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill 
was 
> the 
> > > > right 
> > > > > 
> > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > 
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