Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00867)

Anton,
 Thanks for your comments and links. I might tell you that the STS-80 Shuttle Mission carried upgraded onboard camera's that were upgraded to be able to see in the near Ultraviolet spectrum which I believe made it possible to see the 63 unknown objects seen on the footage whose original main sequence was 9 minutes long. None of the videos on Google have the complete footage.In portions of the video you see the narrowing and brightening that is part of a recalibration of the camera for sharpness and clarity. I  can speak in a unique aspect in that I personally made contribution of this smoking gun to the public and others back then. When the sequence began the shuttle had just passed over the western coast of So. America, southern Chile traveling eastward to shortly pass over the Mata Grasso. as seen on the Display of Houston Control Center and made available on NASA Select Television which was available on Cable Television in real time. I have the full 9 minutes on VHS original.
   Additionally, the narrator in your video mentions the camera man onboard, however the camera's on board the shuttles are directly linked to control operators at the Cheyenne Mountain Space Command Center Dept of Defense and it is those operators who were moving the cameras and paying special attention to the earth's limb where a large triangular formation was watched. It is there at Cheyenne Mountain that the view is moderated and switched off when they decide too. NASA Select Television has never been as open since the STS-80 Video footage was made public.

Regards,
John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
Thanks John,

Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only about 150 
km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were more 
then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from was then sent 
anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments on 
the TV - below link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY

that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances 
interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation of the 
authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian military 
to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video was 
very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these 
rumors are probably true.

There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth 
atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as on 
the Frankfurt airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA

Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing 
turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a little 
outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.

And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for the 
Disclosure.

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Morten, Anton,
> Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's 
and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here 
post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 Turkish:
> 
> Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> 
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> 
> Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at the 
bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % and it 
will not interfere with the Video play)
> 
> >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> 
> Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was not 
far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> 
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> 
> Enjoy, regards,
> John
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> 
> Dear Anton and all readers
> 
> My views are:
> 
> The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
precognition etc.) 
> seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when one 
deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental projects.
> 
> I said in the earlier email:
> Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, 
military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously 
considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception (clairvoyance, 
telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of 
course wrong.
> 
> This leads to the question: 
> Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - 
forward about this quite - important issue?
> (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important 
because of various reasons. There are what some will call "security 
issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought patterns to 
concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if 
this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, that a 
great percentage of this planets population - especially in western 
countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem quite 
natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries India 
and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as 
breathing the air.
> 
> As long as various governments and countries for years have been 
funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be of 
importance.
> We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a level, 
ordinary humans cannot.
> We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), hearing 
aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can find 
their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We know, 
that a great number of species never kill each other and that they 
are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Anton Rozman 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on the 
> issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible and 
> fanatical views or egotism?<
> 
> Dear Morten, 
> 
> I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now known 
> that intelligence community and still more secret agencies around 
the 
> world ran several secret projects on these topics and that findings 
> were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to the 
> people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect that 
> they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> 
> Best regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Dear Anton
> > 
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Anton wrote:
> > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > American public. "
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > 
> > Saying that no people at all in power structures like political, 
> military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not seriously 
> considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
(clairvoyance, 
> telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is of 
> course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using 
> time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known as 
the 
> Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I 
> don't 
> > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long 
> time. 
> > 
> > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing classified 
> > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced 
> projects 
> > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect of 
> this 
> > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically change 
> the 
> > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in 
> next 
> > years.
> > 
> > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time I 
> visit 
> > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > American public. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Anton,
> > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> having 
> > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the USA 
> as 
> > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I made I 
> used 
> > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it who 
> > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to 
> > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His objective 
> was 
> > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of the 
> > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems never 
> > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State of 
> Utah 
> > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he adamantly 
> > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my 
> dead 
> > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago and 
> he 
> > is still in Office.
> > > 
> > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did take 
> > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and 
> > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> attempt to 
> > find the truth about government withholding of information. Sen. 
> > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the 
> Senate 
> > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun point 
> when 
> > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President 
> Jimmy 
> > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess 
> > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow him to 
> be 
> > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open 
> > sunshine. 
> > > 
> > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from 
> > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 40 
> > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, 
> > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with a 
> > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host for 
> the 
> > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> book "Communion." 
> > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > extraterrestials.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > usa as regards ufo
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > Hi John,
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > 
> > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists one 
> > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > governments 
> > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to courageous 
> > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really 
> going 
> > on, 
> > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding 
> > comparing 
> > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's mind 
> open.
> > > 
> > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > 
> > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> theosophists 
> > > in this interview is that there are going on important changes 
> on 
> > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the passage 
> will 
> > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to solve 
> our 
> > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and innovative 
> > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > 
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anton
> > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the UFO 
> > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of it 
> in 
> > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's in 
> many 
> > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily squash 
> > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean and 
> > would 
> > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and 
> Orbital 
> > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> describes 
> > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
> > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a 
> close 
> > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in 
> every 
> > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the Constellational 
> > Zodiac). 
> > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. If 
> you 
> > > Google his name you will find his several websites that related 
> his 
> > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> Senmut 
> > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he extracts 
> from 
> > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of the 
> 12th 
> > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting study to 
> > show 
> > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> ancients 
> > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his webpages.
> > > > 
> > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 
> 12th 
> > > Planet may have made close approach during the second middle 
> period 
> > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown the 
> > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the andesite 
> > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of man a 
> > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
> > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th 
> Planets 
> > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and rain of 
> > it's 
> > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial dragon 
> > belching 
> > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle 
> with 
> > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and his 
> body 
> > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis unable to 
> > find 
> > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor satellite 
> the 
> > fled 
> > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > catastrophe. 
> > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, 
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview videos.
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the apes 
> and 
> > not 
> > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cass
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> embryo 
> > > > research
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't in 
> > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and its 
> > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 years...this 
> > could 
> > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au> 
> wrote:
> > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > 
> > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> legislation 
> > > > allowing 
> > > > > 
> > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> research, 
> > > in 
> > > > > 
> > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, MPs 
> in 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
> > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and could 
> be 
> > law 
> > > by 
> > > > > 
> > > > > November.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for months, 
> would 
> > > > also 
> > > > > 
> > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close 
> genetic 
> > > > match 
> > > > > 
> > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material can 
> help 
> > > > treat 
> > > > > 
> > > > > them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier 
> access 
> > to 
> > > in-
> > > > > 
> > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> requirements 
> > for 
> > > > > 
> > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was about 
> > > helping 
> > > > > 
> > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility assistance, 
> and 
> > > about 
> > > > > 
> > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, which 
> > affects 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a human 
> cell 
> > > > into 
> > > > > 
> > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of stem 
> cells 
> > > for 
> > > > > 
> > > > > use in research into treating conditions like Alzheimer's 
> and 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful diseases 
> and 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in our 
> > > society 
> > > > > 
> > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> framework 
> > > that 
> > > > > 
> > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the 
> > measures, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> Fraser 
> > has 
> > > > > 
> > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit from 
> > embryo 
> > > > > 
> > > > > research.
> > > > > 
> > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including 
> former 
> > > > > 
> > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> government 
> > > > this 
> > > > > 
> > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups warned 
> it 
> > was 
> > > > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative 
> Party, 
> > > told 
> > > > > 
> > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding between 
> > > humans 
> > > > > 
> > > > > and animals.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> course of 
> > > > this 
> > > > > 
> > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
> > > possibility 
> > > > of 
> > > > > 
> > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she said.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all sides 
> that 
> > the 
> > > > > 
> > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> abortion 
> > > laws. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill was 
> the 
> > > > right 
> > > > > 
> > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -AFP
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