Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00410)

Good point, that's enough of Chuck for me, he's some sweet old 
boogeyman we should never give up on, even if it takes another decade 
or two I'll still hope for a new Milarepa.

Alex

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> I beg to differ. You are mistaken, Alex.
> 
> I heard, Dugpas are too busy working on our voting rights and other 
secret
> projects, they have no time for this group. Also, no one respects 
them here.
> 
> mkr
> 
> 
> On 10/14/08, alex <alexmorgan777@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi 
stories.
> >
> > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I confronted 
him.
> > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry 
about
> > me, things don't really bother me anymore.
> > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the 
center
> > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we live
> > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me 
and
> > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I can
> > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read only 
from
> > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie to
> > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person 
run
> > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring
> > Theosophist?
> >
> > I will show you a recent example of what goes on:
> > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
> >
> > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether 
they're
> > aware of it or not.
> > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
> > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led & 
leads
> > many other lost souls to their damnation."
> >
> > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a
> > distracting cancer from the body.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Morten
> > Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Alex
> > >
> > > I am not the moderator on this list.
> > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not
> > agree on that Chuck?
> > >
> > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-
> > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - 
not -
> > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let 
me
> > know.
> > >
> > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow
> > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes 
in
> > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
> > >
> > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I
> > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-)
> > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below.
> > >
> > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour
> > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you 
not
> > agree?
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
> > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > 1.
> > > THE REMEDY
> > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror
> > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
> > >
> > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and 
said:
> > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop 
their
> > evil work?'
> > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,'
> > said Nasrudin.
> > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
> > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla
> > reminded him
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > 2.
> > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
> > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did 
not
> > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local wise
> > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random assumptions
> > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran 
to
> > the wise man 5 house.
> > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
> > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
> > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he
> > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-
pointed
> > the magistrate in the next town.'
> > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to 
the
> > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at 
him:
> > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
> > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk 
to
> > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
> > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best
> > authority that you are my donkey.'
> > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit 
such a
> > thing!'
> > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like 
he
> > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than
> > that of a donkey.'
> > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one is
> > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as and
> > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to
> > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the 
people
> > who are able to receive it:
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: alex
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a
> > knowledge of theosophy."
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this funny for everyone here?
> > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and 
even
> > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't
> > know
> > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your
> > messages
> > > from my inbox.
> > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around
> > that
> > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the
> > whole
> > > group and leave.
> > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we
> > need
> > > to see this nonsense anymore.
> > >
> > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things
> > around,
> > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the
> > path
> > > of sorcery and black magic?
> > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples
> > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and
> > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas!
> > > What do you think? :)
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Drpsionic@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those
> > obsolete
> > > ideas of
> > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on finding
> > what
> > > really is
> > > > going on.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck the heretic
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight
> > Time,
> > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called moral
> > code
> > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity,
> > etc.,
> > > we
> > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> > > >
> > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> > > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._
> > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm)
> > > >
> > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
> > > >
> > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"?
> > And
> > > if
> > > > so, what are these teachings?
> > > >
> > > > And where do we find these teachings?
> > > >
> > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn 
we
> > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
> > > >
> > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of 
the
> > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
> > > >
> > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical
> > organization
> > > > or association.
> > > >
> > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
> > > >
> > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
> > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
> > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is 
absolutely
> > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct inferences
> > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by
> > modern
> > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a synonym 
of
> > > > truth....
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
> > > >
> > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
> > > >
> > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and where
> > can
> > > we
> > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
> > > >
> > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P.
> > Blavatsky?
> > > >
> > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie 
Besant's "Man,
> > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant
> > Investigation"W
> > > >
> > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth
> > Claire
> > > > Prophet?
> > > >
> > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what
> > exactly do
> > > > we popularise?
> > > >
> > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation 
that
> > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
> > > > animals?
> > > >
> > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting the
> > > > DOCTRINE?
> > > >
> > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" 
is?
> > > >
> > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all
> > > about,
> > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover
> > what
> > > the
> > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
> > > >
> > > > Daniel
> > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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