Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00409)

LOL OKAY. 
Thank you Morten you are doing a great job. 
I'll stop whining now, it's just new for this thin-skinned.
Please delete that thing Great Heart! :)

Alex 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Alex
> 
> My views are:
> 
> I write these words out of compassion seeking to be of service.
> Criticism of our theosophical doctrines will as far as I and others 
are concerned always be allowed within the theosophical teachings. At 
least until the level of thought begins its Pralaya in this 
Manvantara.
> 
> People will never learn if they agree all the time.
> And that is not good if they in fact spiritually speaking need to 
learn.
> 
> 
> Alex wrote:
> "but it's quite 
> another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish and 
> misleading vibes with full knowledge."
> 
> M. Sufilight says:
> You claim he has "full knowledge". Do you, yourself, have enough 
knowledge to forward this claim?
> We never seek to turn our back on anyone, who honestly claim to be 
a Seeker after Truth. We know and recognise that all human beings are 
important and deserves help and not the opposite.
> 
> 
> Alex wrote:
> "because you are not considering the many faces he has 
> turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. "
> 
> M. Sufilight says:
> Perhaps not. How many do you - actually - know of?
> 
> 
> Alex wrote:
> "I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, 
his 
> every post leaves a bad aftertaste."
> 
> M. Sufilight says:
> Do you have some examples on this "bad aftertaste"?
> 
> 
> I suggest: Let us not as theosophists Demonize anyone.
> 
> - - - 
> Yet, I will agree, that this place is not - that - attractive to 
what we call thin-skinned Seekers after Truth.
> 
> So - I have just created a Theos-Talk-Heart ( 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart ) forum. And you are 
welcome to invite all the members you claim, have been turned away.
> I will moderate it, seeking more Heart. No Chuck personalities and 
similar "villains" will be allowed. - Allright?
> :-)
> Let us all do an effort.
> 
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: alex 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:37 PM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
knowledge of theosophy."
> 
> 
>   Morten, I do not find those views to be irrelevant for Theos-
talk, I 
>   just think that this case is something different.
> 
>   It's one thing to try and help ignorant people, have healthy 
debates, 
>   question everything we read, hear and believe in etc., but it's 
quite 
>   another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish 
and 
>   misleading vibes with full knowledge. 
> 
>   So I'm not sure what good help is possible, in my view what you 
call 
>   compassion and theosophical could just be a form of foolishness 
and 
>   selfishness because you are not considering the many faces he has 
>   turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. 
>   I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, 
his 
>   every post leaves a bad aftertaste. 
> 
>   It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and 
>   popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird. 
> 
>   Alex the Heretic 
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Dear Alex
>   > 
>   > 
>   > My views are:
>   > 
>   > 
>   > I find your intentions to be good, but not quite compassionate. 
>   > And the view you are offering are not really quite theosophical 
>   teaching.
>   > 
>   > Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at 
>   Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various degree's.
>   > 
>   > Blavatsky said:
>   > "He who objects to having his views controverted and criticized 
>   must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good 
proofs 
>   of our impartiality. We published articles and letters 
criticizing 
>   not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views, but 
>   discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal 
honour 
>   and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not 
simple 
>   doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were cast 
>   into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds 
(Vide "A 
>   Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October, 
1888). 
>   And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers her 
duty 
>   to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every possible 
>   light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine 
bright 
>   and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true 
colours -
>   why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
>   > ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer Magazine 
>   1888)
>   > 
>   > So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would 
rather 
>   recommend, that the members at this place learn to control their 
>   emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life. 
Everything 
>   is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
>   > I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H. 
P. 
>   Blavatsky did and said.
>   > If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use at 
>   Theos-talk I would like to know why.
>   > Do you have any ideas?
>   > May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to your 
>   friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: alex 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
>   > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
>   knowledge of theosophy."
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi 
>   stories.
>   > 
>   > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I 
confronted 
>   him.
>   > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry 
>   about 
>   > me, things don't really bother me anymore. 
>   > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the 
>   center 
>   > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we 
>   live 
>   > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me 
>   and 
>   > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I 
>   can 
>   > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read only 
>   from 
>   > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie 
>   to 
>   > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person 
>   run 
>   > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring 
>   > Theosophist?
>   > 
>   > I will show you a recent example of what goes on: 
>   > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
>   > 
>   > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether 
>   they're 
>   > aware of it or not.
>   > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
>   > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led & 
>   leads 
>   > many other lost souls to their damnation." 
>   > 
>   > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a 
>   > distracting cancer from the body.
>   > 
>   > Alex
>   > 
>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
>   > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > > Dear Alex
>   > > 
>   > > I am not the moderator on this list.
>   > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you 
>   not 
>   > agree on that Chuck?
>   > > 
>   > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's 
e-
>   > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - 
>   not - 
>   > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please 
let 
>   me 
>   > know.
>   > > 
>   > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow 
>   > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck 
writes 
>   in 
>   > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
>   > > 
>   > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I 
>   > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-) 
>   > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below. 
>   > > 
>   > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour 
>   > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do 
you 
>   not 
>   > agree?
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
>   > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - -
>   > > 
>   > > 1.
>   > > THE REMEDY
>   > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great 
conqueror 
>   > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
>   > > 
>   > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla 
and 
>   said:
>   > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop 
>   their 
>   > evil work?'
>   > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the 
criminals,' 
>   > said Nasrudin.
>   > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
>   > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla 
>   > reminded him
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - -
>   > > 
>   > > 2.
>   > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
>   > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but 
did 
>   not 
>   > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local 
>   wise 
>   > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random 
assumptions
>   > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He 
ran 
>   to 
>   > the wise man 5 house.
>   > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
>   > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
>   > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he 
>   > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-
>   pointed 
>   > the magistrate in the next town.'
>   > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged 
to 
>   the 
>   > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at 
>   him:
>   > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
>   > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you 
talk 
>   to 
>   > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
>   > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best 
>   > authority that you are my donkey.'
>   > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit 
>   such a 
>   > thing!'
>   > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you 
like 
>   he 
>   > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather 
>   than 
>   > that of a donkey.'
>   > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one 
>   is 
>   > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as 
>   and 
>   > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to 
>   > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the 
>   people 
>   > who are able to receive it:
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - -
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > M. Sufilight
>   > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: alex 
>   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
>   > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise 
a 
>   > knowledge of theosophy."
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > Is this funny for everyone here? 
>   > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and 
>   even 
>   > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I 
don't 
>   > know 
>   > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your 
>   > messages 
>   > > from my inbox.
>   > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around 
>   > that 
>   > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the 
>   > whole 
>   > > group and leave. 
>   > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think 
we 
>   > need 
>   > > to see this nonsense anymore.
>   > > 
>   > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things 
>   > around, 
>   > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon 
the 
>   > path 
>   > > of sorcery and black magic? 
>   > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, 
peoples 
>   > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
>   > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
>   > > What do you think? :)
>   > > 
>   > > Alex
>   > > 
>   > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those 
>   > obsolete 
>   > > ideas of 
>   > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on 
finding 
>   > what 
>   > > really is 
>   > > > going on.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Chuck the heretic
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight 
>   > Time, 
>   > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
>   > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called 
>   moral 
>   > code
>   > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, 
>   > etc., 
>   > > we
>   > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
>   > > > 
>   > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
>   > > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._ 
>   > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm) 
>   > > > 
>   > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute 
this "theosophy"? 
>   > And 
>   > > if
>   > > > so, what are these teachings?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And where do we find these teachings?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in 
turn 
>   we
>   > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials 
of 
>   the
>   > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical 
>   > organization
>   > > > or association.
>   > > > 
>   > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
>   > > > 
>   > > > -------------------------------------------------
>   > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
>   > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give 
become
>   > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is 
>   absolutely
>   > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
>   > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct 
inferences
>   > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by 
>   > modern
>   > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a 
synonym 
>   of
>   > > > truth....
>   > > > -------------------------------------------------
>   > > > 
>   > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
>   > > > 
>   > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
>   > > > 
>   > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and 
>   where 
>   > can 
>   > > we
>   > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P. 
>   > Blavatsky?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie 
>   Besant's "Man,
>   > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant 
>   > Investigation"W
>   > > > 
>   > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth 
>   > Claire
>   > > > Prophet?
>   > > > 
>   > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what 
>   > exactly do
>   > > > we popularise?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
>   > > > 
>   > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation 
>   that
>   > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn 
as
>   > > > animals?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
>   > > > 
>   > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting 
the
>   > > > DOCTRINE?
>   > > > 
>   > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, 
TRUE "doctrine" 
>   is?
>   > > > 
>   > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is 
>   all 
>   > > about,
>   > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] 
discover 
>   > what 
>   > > the
>   > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high 
regard?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Daniel
>   > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/) 
>   > > > 
>   > > > 
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