Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00412)

 Aeehm...Delete what?



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: alex 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:57 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."


  LOL OKAY. 
  Thank you Morten you are doing a great job. 
  I'll stop whining now, it's just new for this thin-skinned.
  Please delete that thing Great Heart! :)

  Alex 

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > Dear Alex
  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > I write these words out of compassion seeking to be of service.
  > Criticism of our theosophical doctrines will as far as I and others 
  are concerned always be allowed within the theosophical teachings. At 
  least until the level of thought begins its Pralaya in this 
  Manvantara.
  > 
  > People will never learn if they agree all the time.
  > And that is not good if they in fact spiritually speaking need to 
  learn.
  > 
  > 
  > Alex wrote:
  > "but it's quite 
  > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish and 
  > misleading vibes with full knowledge."
  > 
  > M. Sufilight says:
  > You claim he has "full knowledge". Do you, yourself, have enough 
  knowledge to forward this claim?
  > We never seek to turn our back on anyone, who honestly claim to be 
  a Seeker after Truth. We know and recognise that all human beings are 
  important and deserves help and not the opposite.
  > 
  > 
  > Alex wrote:
  > "because you are not considering the many faces he has 
  > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. "
  > 
  > M. Sufilight says:
  > Perhaps not. How many do you - actually - know of?
  > 
  > 
  > Alex wrote:
  > "I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, 
  his 
  > every post leaves a bad aftertaste."
  > 
  > M. Sufilight says:
  > Do you have some examples on this "bad aftertaste"?
  > 
  > 
  > I suggest: Let us not as theosophists Demonize anyone.
  > 
  > - - - 
  > Yet, I will agree, that this place is not - that - attractive to 
  what we call thin-skinned Seekers after Truth.
  > 
  > So - I have just created a Theos-Talk-Heart ( 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart ) forum. And you are 
  welcome to invite all the members you claim, have been turned away.
  > I will moderate it, seeking more Heart. No Chuck personalities and 
  similar "villains" will be allowed. - Allright?
  > :-)
  > Let us all do an effort.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: alex 
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:37 PM
  > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
  knowledge of theosophy."
  > 
  > 
  > Morten, I do not find those views to be irrelevant for Theos-
  talk, I 
  > just think that this case is something different.
  > 
  > It's one thing to try and help ignorant people, have healthy 
  debates, 
  > question everything we read, hear and believe in etc., but it's 
  quite 
  > another to have a person who is consistently spreading foolish 
  and 
  > misleading vibes with full knowledge. 
  > 
  > So I'm not sure what good help is possible, in my view what you 
  call 
  > compassion and theosophical could just be a form of foolishness 
  and 
  > selfishness because you are not considering the many faces he has 
  > turned away from Theosophy by just him being here. 
  > I would have never allowed this disrespect to go on for a decade, 
  his 
  > every post leaves a bad aftertaste. 
  > 
  > It's like one of us joining Demonosophy World to preach and 
  > popularise the knowledge of Theosophy. Weird. 
  > 
  > Alex the Heretic 
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
  > theosophy@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Dear Alex
  > > 
  > > 
  > > My views are:
  > > 
  > > 
  > > I find your intentions to be good, but not quite compassionate. 
  > > And the view you are offering are not really quite theosophical 
  > teaching.
  > > 
  > > Try the below from H. P: Blavatsky.We often divide members at 
  > Theos-talk into thin-skinned or thick-skinnedog various degree's.
  > > 
  > > Blavatsky said:
  > > "He who objects to having his views controverted and criticized 
  > must not write for Lucifer. " ..."Moreover, we have given good 
  proofs 
  > of our impartiality. We published articles and letters 
  criticizing 
  > not alone our personal theosophical and philosophical views, but 
  > discussing on subjects directly concerned with our personal 
  honour 
  > and reputation; reviving the infamous calumnies in which not 
  simple 
  > doubts, but distinctly formulated charges of dishonesty were cast 
  > into our teeth and our private character was torn to shreds 
  (Vide "A 
  > Glance at Theosophy from the Outside", Lucifer for October, 
  1888). 
  > And if the editor will never shrink from what she considers her 
  duty 
  > to her readers, and that she is prepared to throw every possible 
  > light upon mooted questions in order that truth should shine 
  bright 
  > and hideous lies and superstitions be shown under their true 
  colours -
  > why should our contributors prove themselves so thin-skinned?"
  > > ( IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY? by H. P. Blavatsky - Lucifer Magazine 
  > 1888)
  > > 
  > > So I will have to disagree a bit with your ideas. I would 
  rather 
  > recommend, that the members at this place learn to control their 
  > emotions. Individuals and ideas are all part of our life. 
  Everything 
  > is ParaBrahman - as neti, neti - (ie. not this, not that).
  > > I do also know, that some persons are not fond of all what H. 
  P. 
  > Blavatsky did and said.
  > > If you find H. P. Blavatsky's above views irrelevant to use at 
  > Theos-talk I would like to know why.
  > > Do you have any ideas?
  > > May I ask:If you only help your friends and only talk to your 
  > friends, what good do you do?M. Sufilight
  > > 
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: alex 
  > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:50 PM
  > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a 
  > knowledge of theosophy."
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Hi Morten good to see you here, and thank you for those Sufi 
  > stories.
  > > 
  > > I agree with you and I think that's what I've done, I 
  confronted 
  > him.
  > > My English may not be the smoothest but you don't have to worry 
  > about 
  > > me, things don't really bother me anymore. 
  > > I'm surprised no one has noticed but there is a dugpa in the 
  > center 
  > > of our living room who makes fun of and opposes everything we 
  > live 
  > > and breathe for (or at least try to). This is not just about me 
  > and 
  > > those who have passively settled for this circus here. Sure, I 
  > can 
  > > clear my inbox in seconds from all this `theos-talk', read only 
  > from 
  > > some and go do something more useful. But imagine what a newbie 
  > to 
  > > theosophy would think of the people in here letting this person 
  > run 
  > > wild like this, worse than that mistake him for an aspiring 
  > > Theosophist?
  > > 
  > > I will show you a recent example of what goes on: 
  > > (I don't know if this person visited this group or not)
  > > 
  > > "Blavatsky & all her cohorts are simply 'Satanists' whether 
  > they're 
  > > aware of it or not.
  > > the occult is from the pit of Hell.
  > > Blavatsky was just another demon possessed lost soul who led & 
  > leads 
  > > many other lost souls to their damnation." 
  > > 
  > > If I was the moderator I wouldn't think twice of removing a 
  > > distracting cancer from the body.
  > > 
  > > Alex
  > > 
  > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
  <global-
  > > theosophy@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > 
  > > > Dear Alex
  > > > 
  > > > I am not the moderator on this list.
  > > > But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you 
  > not 
  > > agree on that Chuck?
  > > > 
  > > > Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's 
  e-
  > > mails are in fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - 
  > not - 
  > > find any of his e-mails to be theosophical in content, please 
  let 
  > me 
  > > know.
  > > > 
  > > > The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow 
  > > impatient, because you completely disagree with all Chuck 
  writes 
  > in 
  > > his e-mails - and you therefore need to delete them.
  > > > 
  > > > I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I 
  > > thought to be - no good, I would problably be very busy. :-) 
  > > Therefore try to read the story THE REMEDY in the below. 
  > > > 
  > > > May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour 
  > > instead. That is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do 
  you 
  > not 
  > > agree?
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider.......
  > > > I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.
  > > > 
  > > > - - - - - - -
  > > > 
  > > > 1.
  > > > THE REMEDY
  > > > Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great 
  conqueror 
  > > Tamerlane, and was one of his advisers.
  > > > 
  > > > One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla 
  and 
  > said:
  > > > 'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop 
  > their 
  > > evil work?'
  > > > 'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the 
  criminals,' 
  > > said Nasrudin.
  > > > 'You mean the slanderers?'
  > > > 'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla 
  > > reminded him
  > > > 
  > > > - - - - - - -
  > > > 
  > > > 2.
  > > > WHOM TO BELIEVE
  > > > Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but 
  did 
  > not 
  > > seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local 
  > wise 
  > > man the stupidest questions, always based upon random 
  assumptions
  > > > One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He 
  ran 
  > to 
  > > the wise man 5 house.
  > > > 'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
  > > > 'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
  > > > The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he 
  > > said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-
  > pointed 
  > > the magistrate in the next town.'
  > > > Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged 
  to 
  > the 
  > > court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at 
  > him:
  > > > 'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
  > > > The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you 
  talk 
  > to 
  > > me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
  > > > 'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best 
  > > authority that you are my donkey.'
  > > > 'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit 
  > such a 
  > > thing!'
  > > > Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you 
  like 
  > he 
  > > said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather 
  > than 
  > > that of a donkey.'
  > > > Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one 
  > is 
  > > ready for it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as 
  > and 
  > > when they want it. The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to 
  > > impart knowledge in the right way, at the right time, to the 
  > people 
  > > who are able to receive it:
  > > > 
  > > > - - - - - - -
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > M. Sufilight
  > > > (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > > From: alex 
  > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
  > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise 
  a 
  > > knowledge of theosophy."
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > Is this funny for everyone here? 
  > > > I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and 
  > even 
  > > > allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I 
  don't 
  > > know 
  > > > about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your 
  > > messages 
  > > > from my inbox.
  > > > This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around 
  > > that 
  > > > spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the 
  > > whole 
  > > > group and leave. 
  > > > The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think 
  we 
  > > need 
  > > > to see this nonsense anymore.
  > > > 
  > > > Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things 
  > > around, 
  > > > become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon 
  the 
  > > path 
  > > > of sorcery and black magic? 
  > > > Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, 
  peoples 
  > > > participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
  > > > promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
  > > > What do you think? :)
  > > > 
  > > > Alex
  > > > 
  > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@ wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those 
  > > obsolete 
  > > > ideas of 
  > > > > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on 
  finding 
  > > what 
  > > > really is 
  > > > > going on.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Chuck the heretic
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight 
  > > Time, 
  > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > 
  > > > > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called 
  > moral 
  > > code
  > > > > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, 
  > > etc., 
  > > > we
  > > > > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
  > > > > 
  > > > > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
  > > > > _http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._ 
  > > > > (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm) 
  > > > > 
  > > > > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Are there certain teachings that constitute 
  this "theosophy"? 
  > > And 
  > > > if
  > > > > so, what are these teachings?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And where do we find these teachings?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in 
  turn 
  > we
  > > > > can "preach and popularise" them?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials 
  of 
  > the
  > > > > TS? Any member of the TS?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical 
  > > organization
  > > > > or association.
  > > > > 
  > > > > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
  > > > > 
  > > > > -------------------------------------------------
  > > > > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
  > > > > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give 
  become
  > > > > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is 
  > absolutely
  > > > > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
  > > > > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct 
  inferences
  > > > > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by 
  > > modern
  > > > > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a 
  synonym 
  > of
  > > > > truth....
  > > > > -------------------------------------------------
  > > > > 
  > > > > This is quite a CLAIM.
  > > > > 
  > > > > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
  > > > > 
  > > > > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and 
  > where 
  > > can 
  > > > we
  > > > > find an exposition of this teaching?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P. 
  > > Blavatsky?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie 
  > Besant's "Man,
  > > > > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant 
  > > Investigation"W
  > > > > 
  > > > > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth 
  > > Claire
  > > > > Prophet?
  > > > > 
  > > > > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what 
  > > exactly do
  > > > > we popularise?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
  > > > > 
  > > > > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation 
  > that
  > > > > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn 
  as
  > > > > animals?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
  > > > > 
  > > > > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting 
  the
  > > > > DOCTRINE?
  > > > > 
  > > > > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, 
  TRUE "doctrine" 
  > is?
  > > > > 
  > > > > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is 
  > all 
  > > > about,
  > > > > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] 
  discover 
  > > what 
  > > > the
  > > > > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high 
  regard?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Daniel
  > > > > _http://hpb.cc_ (http://hpb.cc/) 
  > > > > 
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