Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00271)

???
I did not get that, Chuck

Why do you want to get rid of purity and self-denial?
What reality are you considering?


M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drpsionic@aol.com 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theos...


  The truth can never go to far. We are not victorians any more.

  Get rid of those silly ideals. Deal with reality.

  Chuck the Heretic


  In a message dated 10/12/2008 9:19:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

  Dear Alex

  I am not the moderator on this list.
  But, I agree, that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not agree on 
  that Chuck?

  Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's e-mails are in 
  fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - not - find any of his 
  e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let me know.

  The fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow impatient, 
  because you completely disagree with all Chuck writes in his e-mails - and you 
  therefore need to delete them.

  I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those e-mails I thought to be - 
  no good, I would problably be very busy. :-) Therefore try to read the story 
  THE REMEDY in the below. 

  May I ask: Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour instead. That 
  is a more theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you not agree?

  Here are two Sufi stories for you to consider....Her
  I do hope, that you will calm down a bit after reading it.

  - - - - - - -

  1.
  THE REMEDY
  Some say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror Tamerlane, 
  and was one of his advisers.

  One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called the Mulla and said:
  'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we stop their evil 
  work?'
  'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the criminals,' said 
  Nasrudin.
  'You mean the slanderers?'
  'And their accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla reminded him

  - - - - - - -

  2.
  WHOM TO BELIEVE
  Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did not seem to 
  know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local wise man the stupidest 
  questions, always based upon random assumptions
  One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran to the wise 
  man 5 house.
  'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
  'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
  The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he said, 'the 
  donkey has run off, turned into a man and been ap-pointed the magistrate in the 
  next town.'
  Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to the court. 
  There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
  'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
  The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk to me like 
  that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
  'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best authority that 
  you are my donkey.'
  'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit such a thing!'
  Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like he said, 'I 
  prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than that of a donkey.'
  Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one is ready for 
  it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as and when they want it. 
  The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to impart knowledge in the right way, 
  at the right time, to the people who are able to receive it:

  - - - - - - -

  M. Sufilight
  (Who saw HPB materialise in front of him year 2008.)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: alex 
  To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
  Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we have to preach and popularise a knowledge of 
  theosophy."

  Is this funny for everyone here? 
  I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with this and even 
  allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I don't know 
  about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your messages 
  from my inbox.
  This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored goofing around that 
  spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke on the whole 
  group and leave. 
  The Unity of Mind is lacking in here already, I don't think we need 
  to see this nonsense anymore.

  Chuck, why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things around, 
  become the first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the path 
  of sorcery and black magic? 
  Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership, peoples 
  participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and 
  promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
  What do you think? :)

  Alex

  --- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , 
  Drpsionic@.., Dr
  >
  > Ok, the very first thing we have to do is get rid of those obsolete 
  ideas of 
  > purity, self-denial, charity, etc and concentrate on finding what 
  really is 
  > going on.
  > 
  > Chuck the heretic
  > 
  > 
  > In a message dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  > danielhcaldwell@ daniel
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called moral code
  > or the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, etc., 
  we
  > have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
  > 
  > Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
  > __http://www.theosocihttp://www.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp://_ 
  (http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._) 
  > (_http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._ 
  (http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm) ) 
  > 
  > So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
  > 
  > Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"? And 
  if
  > so, what are these teachings?
  > 
  > And where do we find these teachings?
  > 
  > And how do we learn about them and study them so that in turn we
  > can "preach and popularise" them?
  > 
  > And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected officials of the
  > TS? Any member of the TS?
  > 
  > And remember there is more than one TS or theosophical organization
  > or association.
  > 
  > Can non-members preach and popularise this theosophy?
  > 
  > And in this same letter, the Chohan tells us:
  > 
  > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- 
  > The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
  > supported by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
  > ultimately triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is absolutely
  > necessary to inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
  > unimpeachable facts for those who know, with direct inferences
  > deducted from and corroborated by the evidence furnished by modern
  > exact science.... Theos-sophia, Divine Wisdom...is a synonym of
  > truth....
  > ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- 
  > 
  > This is quite a CLAIM.
  > 
  > "The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one...."
  > 
  > So what is this DOCTRINE that is "the ONLY true one" and where can 
  we
  > find an exposition of this teaching?
  > 
  > Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by H.P. Blavatsky?
  > 
  > Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie Besant's "Man,
  > Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant Investigation" 
  > 
  > Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a book by Elizabeth Claire
  > Prophet?
  > 
  > If "we" are to popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what exactly do
  > we popularise?
  > 
  > Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
  > 
  > What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation that
  > includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn as
  > animals?
  > 
  > Am I faithfully transmitting the DOCTRINE?
  > 
  > And who is to say that I am faithfully or not transmitting the
  > DOCTRINE?
  > 
  > In other words, who is to say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" is?
  > 
  > The objects of the TS doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all 
  about,
  > so where and how does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover what 
  the
  > DOCTRINE is that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
  > 
  > Daniel
  > __http://hpb.cc__ (http://hpb.cc_/) (_http://hpb.cc/_ (http://hpb.cc/) ) 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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