Theos-Talk Archives (October 2008 Message tt00261)

The truth can never go to far.  We are not victorians any more.
 
Get rid of those silly ideals.  Deal with reality.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2008 9:19:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

 
 
 

Dear Alex

I am not the moderator on this list.
But, I agree,  that this joke from Chuck went too far. Do you not agree on 
that  Chuck?

Yet, it is also true, to some of us, that a number of Chuck's  e-mails are in 
fact quite theosophical in content. If you can - not - find any  of his 
e-mails to be theosophical in content, please let me know.

The  fact that is that you tell me and others, that you grow impatient, 
because you  completely disagree with all Chuck writes in his e-mails - and you 
therefore  need to delete them.

I will tell you, that If I had to delete all those  e-mails I thought to be - 
no good, I would problably be very busy. :-)  Therefore try to read the story 
THE REMEDY in the below. 

May I ask:  Why do you not talk with Chuck about his behaviour instead. That 
is a more  theosophical and altruistic idea. Do you not agree?

Here are two Sufi  stories for you to consider....Her
I do hope, that you will calm down  a bit after reading it.

- - - - - - -

1.
THE REMEDY
Some  say that Nasrudin lived in the time of the great conqueror Tamerlane, 
and was  one of his advisers.

One day, so goes the tale, Timur the Lame called  the Mulla and said:
'Nasrudin, the Empire is full of slanderers. How can we  stop their evil 
work?'
'You can never stop crime unless you punish all the  criminals,' said 
Nasrudin.
'You mean the slanderers?'
'And their  accomplices - those who listen to them,' the Mulla reminded him

- - - -  - - -

2.
WHOM TO BELIEVE
Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving  for knowledge, but did not seem to 
know what knowledge was. As a result he  asked a local wise man the stupidest 
questions, always based upon random  assumptions
One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was Inissing. He ran  to the wise 
man 5 house.
'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
'My donkey  is gone! Where can I find it?'
The wise man was quite fed up with the  Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he said, 'the 
donkey has run off, turned into a man and  been ap-pointed the magistrate in the 
next town.'
Thanking the wise man for  his information, the Mulla trudged to the court. 
There sat the magistrate, and  Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
'Come home at once, you foolish  animal!'
The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk to  me like 
that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
'I'm the well-known Mulla  Nasrudin, and I have it on the best authority that 
you are my  donkey.'
'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit such a  thing!'
Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like he  said, 'I 
prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than that of a  donkey.'
Wisdom, according to the Sufis, can only be acquired when one is  ready for 
it: though people insist on seeking enlightenment as and when they  want it. 
The Sufi's task, however, includes trying to impart knowledge in the  right way, 
at the right time, to the people who are able to receive  it:

- - - - - - -

M. Sufilight
(Who saw HPB materialise in  front of him year 2008.)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: alex  
To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)   
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: "...we  have to preach and popularise a knowledge of 
theosophy."

Is this funny  for everyone here? 
I'm not sure why the moderator is passively ok with  this and even 
allows you to showoff your website. Is he still alive? I  don't know 
about others but I'm starting to get tired of deleting your  messages 
from my inbox.
This crap is not Theosophy, this is just bored  goofing around that 
spoils things for others, and makes the new comer puke  on the whole 
group and leave. 
The Unity of Mind is lacking in here  already, I don't think we need 
to see this nonsense anymore.

Chuck,  why don't you try to be like Milarepa and turn things around, 
become the  first Enlightened man in modern times to abandon the path 
of sorcery and  black magic? 
Think about it Chuck, you will increase the membership,  peoples 
participation and get all our votes if you choose to run and  
promulgate the DOCTRINE of the Buddhas! 
What do you think?  :)

Alex

--- In _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ,  
Drpsionic@..,  Dr
>
> Ok, the very first thing we have to  do is get rid of those obsolete 
ideas of 
> purity, self-denial,  charity, etc and concentrate on finding what 
really is 
> going  on.
> 
> Chuck the heretic
> 
> 
> In a message  dated 10/11/2008 4:06:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>  danielhcaldwell@  daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  "For our doctrines to practically react on the so called moral code
> or  the ideas of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, etc., 
we
>  have to preach and popularise a knowledge of theosophy."
> 
>  Quoted from a letter from the Chohan
> __http://www.theosocihttp://www.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp://_ 
(http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._)   
> (_http://www.theosocihttp://www.theoshttp://wwhttp://www._ 
(http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-choh.htm) )  
> 
> So exactly what do we preach and popularise?
>  
> Are there certain teachings that constitute this "theosophy"? And  
if
> so, what are these teachings?
> 
> And where do we  find these teachings?
> 
> And how do we learn about them and  study them so that in turn we
> can "preach and popularise"  them?
> 
> And who is "we"? The leaders of the TS? Elected  officials of the
> TS? Any member of the TS?
> 
> And  remember there is more than one TS or theosophical organization
> or  association.
> 
> Can non-members preach and popularise this  theosophy?
> 
> And in this same letter, the Chohan tells  us:
> 
>  ------------  ----  ----  ----  ---- 
>  The doctrine we promulgate being the only true one, must, --
> supported  by such evidence as we are preparing to give become
> ultimately   triumphant as every other truth. Yet it is absolutely
> necessary to  inculcate it gradually enforcing its theories,
> unimpeachable facts for  those who know, with direct inferences
> deducted from and corroborated  by the evidence furnished by modern
> exact science.... Theos-sophia,  Divine Wisdom...is a synonym of
> truth....
>  ------------  ----  ----  ----  ---- 
>  
> This is quite a CLAIM.
> 
> "The doctrine we promulgate  being the only true one...."
> 
> So what is this DOCTRINE that is  "the ONLY true one" and where can 
we
> find an exposition of this  teaching?
> 
> Is it to be found in THE SECRET DOCTRINE written by  H.P. Blavatsky?
> 
> Or can it be found in C.W. Leadbeater's and  Annie Besant's "Man,
> Whence, How, and Whither: A Record of Clairvoyant  Investigation" 
> 
> Or in a book by Alice Bailey? or....in a  book by Elizabeth Claire
> Prophet?
> 
> If "we" are to  popularise a knowledge of Theosophy, what exactly do
> we  popularise?
> 
> Is reincarnation part of this DOCTRINE?
>  
> What if I start popularising the teaching of reincarnation  that
> includes the provision that humans can sometimes be reborn  as
> animals?
> 
> Am I faithfully transmitting the  DOCTRINE?
> 
> And who is to say that I am faithfully or not  transmitting the
> DOCTRINE?
> 
> In other words, who is to  say what the REAL, TRUE "doctrine" is?
> 
> The objects of the TS  doesn't tell us what the DOCTRINE is all 
about,
> so where and how  does one [an inquirer, a newcomer] discover what 
the
> DOCTRINE is  that the Chohan seems to hold in SUCH high regard?
> 
>  Daniel
> __http://hpb.cc__ (http://hpb.cc_/)  (_http://hpb.cc/_ (http://hpb.cc/) ) 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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