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Re: Theos-World Re: Failure of Krishnamurti on the path of occultism

May 30, 2008 03:43 PM
by Augoeides-222

    >Now tell me why there are only 6 %
people in the world are Buddhists,<<<<

Perhaps becuase of the Prophecy:

      Several of the prophecies in the Kalachakra tradition are already in the past, for example, king Manjushrikirti (living in the second century BCE) predicted the coming of the "barbarian Dharma" after 800 years (about 600 CE). 
The prophecy further says that during the reign of the 21st. king, Aniruddha (1927-2027), Buddhism and the Kalachakra will have nearly come to an end in Tibet, Mongolia, China and much of Asia. This could certainly be said to be accurate! For example, after the Chinese invasion in Tibet in 1959 and the destruction of nearly all monasteries afterwards, the master Ven. Kirti Tsenshab Rinpoche was the only remaining Tibetan master holding a specific lineage of the Vimalaprabha (the 'Stainless Light' commentary); which is one of the only two main Kalachakra texts. 
This trend of degeneration is said to continue until the incarnation of Manjushri (and of the Panchen Lama), Raudra Chakrin, comes to the throne in 2327 (or 2424 [5]). 
"The cakravartin shall come out at the end of the age, from the city the gods fashioned on mount Kailasha. He shall smite the barbarians in battle with his own four-division army, on the entire surface of the earth. ... Raudra Kalki shall smite Krinmati .... then they shall go to the city the gods fashioned on Mount Kailasha where Cakri lives. At that time, all the families of men on the earth shall be fulfilled with dharma, pleasure and wealth. Grain shall grow in the wild and the trees shall bow with fruit - these things will occur. "[8]
In this way, a golden age throughout the world at the end of the current 'Time of Strife' will be established.  
The texts describe that Raudra Chakrin will come with 'flying ships' (obvious in our age, but certainly not when these prophecies were written) to help us out of spiritual darkness, and afterwards the teachings of the Buddha will survive for another 1,800 [4] or 1,000 [7] years. 


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From: "Anand" <> 

> The word "God" does not belong to the Indian tradition. It is 
> originated in the Old Testament. Words that refer to the Divine 
> Ground in the Indian tradition are "Brahman" (Vastness), "Shiva" 
> (Auspicious, Good), "Parabrahman" (Absolute, Eternal), among others. 

Word God does not exist in original Hebrew Old Testament. Yahweh was
the word which was used in Hebrew Old Testament. 
English translation of Yahweh is God. 
Similarly English translation of Ishwara, Parabramha, Paramatma is God.

"In spite of significant differences between religions such as
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, the Bahá'í Faith, and Judaism, the term
"God" remains an English translation common to all. "

> If you are born in a Christian or Hindu or Muslim or Jewish family, 
> do you have much choice? Normally, a child will be educated and 
> condiotioned according to the religion of his or her parents. I think 
> that if you search for statistics of religious affiliation today, you 
> would be surprised with the number of Buddhists in the world. I am 
> sure it is nowadays over a billion people. In Australian, Buddhism is 
> the fastest growing religion, particularly among young people who 
> have declared themselves frustrated and utterly disappointed with 
> Christianity and its many dogmatic aspects. 

Below I am giving the statistics. Now tell me why there are only 6 %
people in the world are Buddhists, whereas vast majority of mankind
believe in religions with God as central idea ? 
Christians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%,
Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%,
Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other
religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32% (2007 est.)

> > I also see one more meaning in the letter. Masters might be saying
> > that dependence on old religions should lessen and advanced people
> > should rely on new and better religions like Theosophy, LCC. 
> However I
> > don't think Theosophy and LCC can be understood by common people.
> > These can become religion for more advanced souls. For common 
> people
> > Christianity will still be very useful in keeping people on the path
> > of virtue.
> This may be a very dangerous notion: "religion for more advanced 
> souls". Who is the judge? Who can judge? What are the criteria? 

It is not a dangerous idea. It is a fact. When person evolves, he
automatically gets attracted towards more advanced religion like
Theosophy. And it can not be judged by others. When a person comes in
contact with any philosophy, he knows whether his heart responds to it
or not. I don't tell who should study Theosophy and who should not.
Every one has to think for himself if his inner nature accepts gladly
Theosophy or not.

If a 
> person finds inspiration and clarity in any teaching that is their 
> business. When the Portuguese arrived in Brazil in 1500, the jesuit 
> fathers that came with them gave them permission to kill native 
> aborigenes because, according to their theology, the aborigenes did 
> not have a soul! As a result, one of the Portuguese explorers once 
> came back from a jungle incursion bringing nothing less than 7,000 
> ears that his men had cut off from the aborigenes they had killed. In 
> other words, the jesuits' "God" was nothing less than a gigantic 
> killing machine. 

You have wrong ideas about jesuits. Bible askes to make disciples of all 
nations and it does not tell that some people don't have souls. Most
of the jesuits know it. One jesuit mentioned by you may have wrong
ideas, but it is his mistake, not the mistake of jesuit organization. 

Few years back I think you had given reference where HPB rejected
Buddhist no-God theory and accepts existence of God. May be you can
bring that reference again.

Anand Gholap


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