Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00194)

Precisely my thoughts John, but you put it so much better than I could.
  Cass

Augoeides-222@comcast.net wrote:
  PJ,
Hmmm, I don't really want to engage this thread but as i read the several exchanges I note an absence of something I consider a valuable data. I, when i read some of JK teachings immediately knew that the critical difference he teaches is it is Advaita, the Non-Dual School that underlies his originations. He is not at odds with Madame Blavatsky in my view as she, in her Inner Group instructions lead them into Advaita Non-Dual School Maxims. These are most difficult to receive and maintain perceptually , mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. They run counter to the most ingrained religiousity of the lower mind and it takes tremendous effort to except oneself from those habitual generational agreements. Blavatsky when teaching of the Absolute teaches Non-Dual Advaita with modifications in accordance with SD and Mahatma precepts.
Ananda is Dualist adherent and existential investment limits his willingness to see JK teaching in this light.
The Truth is without a Path, we exist IN Truth itself. It is the substrate within which as monads we have participation in what the lower consciousness perceives as space. It is what is About us. The conditioned mind is the veil. Reach out and touch yourself and all that there is.

JK had many adherents who were penetrated by Non-Dual Precepts. But not many ever even have exposure to them. Online there is the Non-Dual Salon and many other resources that one can gain some exposure to. Even The Sufi School teaches Non-Dual. Agape' is Non-Dual

Regards,
John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: jokelap@dnainternet.net 

I do not know anything about the action of JK you are 
claiming about here.
I do not understand why you are againts him so much.
Seems that Radhaji has done same to Oliveiras than JK to 
Radha in that case
if it is true what you say. But the way you put KJ´s 
teachings is attitude of fundamentalist,
taking everything litterally, not sensing and 
understanding the spirit behind.

And JK was thankfull for all the care he got from 
theosophists. And he has said that
if they had not "found" him, he would have not have had a 
life such as it was. I do not belive that he had bitter 
relation to TS.
Why would he have?

PJ

n Mon, 05 May 2008 06:29:56 -0000
"Anand" wrote:
> Jokela,
> You changed the subject. The question I raised was this.
> "It is strange that Krishnamurti tried to install his 
>follower (Radha
> Burnier) as the head of the organization with which he 
>had bitter
> relations and experiences. Or was there any agenda 
>behind such a move?"
> 
> Anand Gholap
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Jokela Petri" 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ideas always creates separation. Onness is above them. 
>>So, it is not
> about the way of philosophy but to realize that they 
>sepak about same
> truth. Theosophícal philosophy is just a philosophy, 
> Krishnamurtis´s
> philosophy is just a philosophy, indian philosophy is 
>just a
> philosopy. Truth lies behind all those. Read the 
>interviw I asked you
> to read. There you will find out how JK said to Radha: 
>YOU know, I
> like theosophy! All philosophies can become prison, just 
>a words which
> mind repeats. That´s the whole point of JK. PJ 
> ----- Original
> Message ----- From: Anand To: 
>theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:17 AM Subject: 
>Theos-World Re: Failure
> of Krishnamurti on the path of occultism According 
>to Radha's
> propaganda Krishnamurti asked her to stand for 
> President's election.
> Whether Krishnamurti left the TS, or he was made to 
>leave the TS, in
> any case it was because his ideas and Theosophical 
> ideas were
> different, almost opposite. It is strange that 
>Krishnamurti tried to
> install her follower as the head of the organization 
>with which he
> had bitter relations and experiences. Or was there any 
>agenda behind
> such a move? Anand Gholap --- In 
>theos-talk@yahoogroups.com,
> "Jokela Petri" wrote: > > Come on, no one 
>cannot ask
> anyone to become a president of TS. If the prosess is 
>not yet clear
> to you, please read internation rules to find out. 
>Also according
> Lutyens books, Krishnamurti did not resign off or left 
>TS, JK simply
> said: "They did´t want me to be there." JK´s teachings 
>were too
> modern and radical that people couldn+´t understand, 
>even Annie
> BEsant And C.W. Leadbeater fell into that hole though 
>they worned
> other people about it that Coming World TEacher may be 
>so radical
> that people won´t accpet His teachings. PJ ----- 
> Original Message
> ----- From: Anand To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: 
>Friday, May
> 02, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Theos-World Re: Failure of 
>Krishnamurti
> on the path of occultism Krishnamurti had left the TS. 
>Radha was a
> follower of Krishnamurti for many years. You might 
>have heard
> Radha's propaganda that she became President of TS 
>because
> Krishnamurti asked her to become President of TS. Now, 
>if
> Krishnamurti had left TS, why did he told his close 
>follower to
> become President of TS ? Did he want to control TS by 
>proxy, and use
> it to his advantage by making his follower President 
>of TS? This is
> most mean politics. If he was virtuous, he should have 
>said "I left
> the TS and I give the teaching I want to give. I will 
>not interfere
> in you and you don't interfere in my work" But instead 
>of adopting
> this right policy, he tried to control and use TS by 
>asking his
> follower to become President of TS. Regards. Anand 
>Gholap 
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