Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00665)

I don't know. This is the question which should be probably addressed 
to the members of the ES.

Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@...> wrote:
>
> And the chelas? Are there any officially today?
> 
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Anton Rozman 
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:27 AM
>   Subject: Theos-World Re: Rules and Principles 1
> 
> 
>   Dear Morten,
> 
>   >I am no member of TS Adyar in any litteral sense.<
> 
>   Probably not being a member of the organization one tends to be 
>   mainly oriented towards philosophy, teachings, path itself, while 
>   being part of the organization one has to face the normative 
issues 
>   too.
> 
>   I met many extraordinary people among the members of the TS Adyar 
but 
>   also some very rude and dogmatic. And unfortunately there were 
later 
>   that mainly pulled strings in the environment where I grew up - 
but I 
>   am quite sure that they represent the minority of membership.
> 
>   Anton
> 
>   --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
>   theosophy@> wrote:
>   >
>   > 
>   > Thanks Anton
>   > 
>   > I still feel that those "guru crutches" are creeping in over 
the 
>   doorstep everywhere at the TS. And the Seekers are confused about 
>   whether they are allowed there or not. :-)
>   > 
>   > But that is just me, and I am no member of TS Adyar in any 
litteral 
>   sense.
>   > I wonder if there are any chelas who are members of the TS. In 
the 
>   old days there were plenty. Today we problably only 
have "crutches" 
>   at TS Adyar?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > M. Sufilight
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: Anton Rozman 
>   > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:53 PM
>   > Subject: Theos-World Re: Rules and Principles 1
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Dear Morten,
>   > 
>   > >Without the previous leaders in the TS. TS would not have been 
>   what 
>   > it is today. And that is at least something worthwhile 
>   considering. 
>   > It could have been much worse, could it not? All leaders in TS 
>   have 
>   > their troubles, one of them being members of TS and their 
>   distrust in 
>   > any leaders - also called crutches. :-)<
>   > 
>   > With those words N. Sri Ram certainly didn't want to invite us 
to 
>   > begin to discredit other people but to try to find a solution 
and 
>   > this is certainly also my aim. I deeply respect all who have 
>   worked 
>   > for the cause and contributed that the movement has survived 
all 
>   > these years. 
>   > 
>   > But what went wrong? Nevertheless all that good intentions 
>   present in 
>   > each member of the theosophical movement what went wrong that 
>   there 
>   > were divisions, exclusions, ostracism? Why were mutual attacks 
>   > present between the members of various theosophical traditions? 
>   Are 
>   > different views on the teachings good reason to attack each 
>   other? 
>   > Why there is so much tension and dissatisfaction present in our 
>   own 
>   > Society? Are there answers to these questions? Can we find a 
way 
>   out 
>   > of this situation?
>   > 
>   > Irrelevant questions? I don't think so. But I will certainly 
not 
>   > abuse this forum with my e-mails if there will not be interest 
>   for 
>   > such discussion.
>   > 
>   > I still think that we will do most for the world if we will in 
>   first 
>   > place solve the problems within the theosophical movement 
itself. 
>   > 
>   > Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes to you, HPB and M,
>   > Anton
>   > 
>   > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
>   > theosophy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > My views are:
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > A few views, just to say something instead of nothing...
>   > > 
>   > > Yes Brottherhood is a good idea.
>   > > Yet it seems to me, that a number of leading persons are hit 
by 
>   the 
>   > arch-enemy of various theosophists called - mistrust or perhaps 
>   fear 
>   > of dupas or similar persons within the TS groups.
>   > > 
>   > > TS Adyar looks more and more like a group without leadership, 
a 
>   > raft believed being a boat.
>   > > Or is it just me?
>   > > 
>   > > In the old days HPB would have responded in Lucifer or the 
>   > Theosophist putting it all where it belongs.
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - -
>   > > So if I should respond or at least seek to respond like a 
HPB, 
>   I 
>   > would say: 
>   > > 
>   > > Stop talking irrelevantly about less important issues. 
>   > > Meditate properly and wisely - and reach your own conclusion. 
>   Do 
>   > not waste hours on emailing about this issue.
>   > > 
>   > > Remember: A tree is always known on its fruits. 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - - 
>   > > Without the previous leaders in the TS. TS would not have 
been 
>   what 
>   > it is today. And that is at least something worthwhile 
>   considering. 
>   > It could have been much worse, could it not?
>   > > All leaders in TS have their troubles, one of them being 
>   members of 
>   > TS and their distrust in any leaders - also called crutches. 
>   > > :-)
>   > > 
>   > > - - - - - - - 
>   > > Listen. The Masters and HPB will guide you all so you reach a 
>   > leadership, which will teach you the lessons you are in need 
of. 
>   And 
>   > not necessarily what you want yourselves. Try to Rethink this 
>   view.
>   > > 
>   > > Just to let you know: 
>   > > I was given a short telepathically imprint of HPB and Master 
>   Morya 
>   > two days ago - by HPB. There are around for sure. Well if it is 
>   not 
>   > Maya at play again. :-)
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > I do hope these words was of help to you.
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > M. Sufilight
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > > From: Anton Rozman 
>   > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>   > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:53 AM
>   > > Subject: Theos-World Rules and Principles 1
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > "Let us accept no creed, no practice, no institution which 
does 
>   > not 
>   > > answer the test of brotherhood."* 
>   > > 
>   > > But if we want to respect this proposal, we find ourselves in 
>   > front of 
>   > > a difficult task, as we have to ask ourselves: are there any 
>   > objective 
>   > > measures at all which can help us to verify if the creed, 
>   > practice or 
>   > > functioning of a definite institution is fraternal. 
>   > > 
>   > > Can we therefore find some objective measures to verify if 
the 
>   > > functioning of an institution is in fact fraternal? Maybe 
some 
>   > will 
>   > > think that such task is not necessary and useful, but here is 
>   > another 
>   > > thought: 
>   > > 
>   > > "Each must lead himself, which implies intelligence, a clear 
>   > purpose, a 
>   > > vision of his own, a willingness to determine his steps for 
>   > himself, 
>   > > the acceptance of one's responsibility and the faculty of 
pure, 
>   > > individual and uninfluenced judgment."*
>   > > 
>   > > * Nantiloka Shri Ram, Thoughts for Aspirants.
>   > > 
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